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  • Z51 without the baby wing and front splitter

    Is there anyway such as override option to opt out the baby wing and the front splitter from the Z51 package and keep the rest of performance options of the Z51 package + no 6 holes on the bumper in the back?

    I as a designer see that the baby wing and the front splitter make the look of C8 ugly busy. The C8 look without them is cleaner, better and more exotic.

    And I need the all season tires from the base model, I do not like to have the performance tire from the Z51 package which requires an additional set of winter tires for the winter.

    Also, I see that the front splitter reduces the height clearance of the front, so it makes to add the E60 Front Lift option (It looks like that E60 Front Lift option is not needed for the base model because it doesn’t have the front splitter, so the base model has a normal okay height clearance of the front side).


    And I would like to have GPS Navigation, NPP Performance Exhaust, Firm suspension and (+PDR Performance Data Recorder if PDR can be used on normal streets not on track).

    If I add those options manually on the Base model, then the cost maybe exceed the price of Z51 package or simmilar.

    Any insight please?
    Last edited by vcappp; 08-06-2019, 09:01 PM.

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    No way (as far as what has been released to date) to get the firmer suspension & bigger brakes without the Z51 package, and no way to get Z51 without the wing and splitter.

    No way to get A/S tires from the factory in the Z51. You'd have to buy it with the summer tires and buy A/S tires on the aftermarket.

    Nav and PDR are available without Z51. They are standard on the 2LT and 3LT, and optional (RPO code IOT) on the 1LT.

    IOT Audio system, Chevrolet Infotainment 3 Premium system with connected Navigation, 8" diagonal HD color touchscreen, AM/FM stereo, Bluetooth audio streaming for 2 active devices, Apple CarPlay and Android Auto capable, enhanced voice recognition, additional memory for in-vehicle apps, cloud connected personalization for select infotainment and vehicle settings. Subscription required for enhanced

    UQT Performance data and video recorder 1 - Included and only available with (IOT) Chevrolet Infotainment 3 Premium system with connected Navigation.
    Performance Exhaust is available as a stand alone option without Z51, (RPO code NPP).

    NPP Exhaust, performance, estimated 5 hp increase, aggressive exhaust sound varies with driver mode selected, with stainless-steel tips 1 - Included with (Z51) Z51 Performance Package.
    We have no information about cost, yet. Costs should be available August 15th. But a couple of notes:

    Z51 does NOT include the Nav and PDR. To get that you either need to pay for the IOT audio system upgrade (on the 1LT), or pay for the 2LT package. The 2LT includes Nav / PDR whether you get the Z51 or not.

    NPP on the C7 cost about $1100. Z51 on the C7 cost about $5000, but we have no idea how much it will cost on the C8. Maybe less, because on the C7 it did include Nav / PDR.

    MHO: If you're not going to track the car, you're not going to overtax the base car suspension and brakes on the street. Ever. I've had my base model C7 on several tracks (not racing, but driving hard and fast) and it does just fine. Yes, the Z51 would be better on the track, but on the street the base C7 will handle speeds far in excess of what is safe.
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    • #3
      The test mules showed horrible rear wing but what has been shown at the reveal is fine.

      no need for spoiler or splitter delete.



      would like E60 without the gps feature but its no big deal.

      the small front splitter in the local event looks to be at least 6 inches off the ground...(taller than my cell phone from ground to bottom of splitter...

      i doubt it will be an issue. The car I saw at the little falls event didnt look like it had the hinged front under spoilers but I dont know if thats factory.

      i thought i saw it on the atlantic city car but didnt see it on the little falls event car.. (just a quick look though)

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      • #4
        Originally posted by meyerweb View Post
        No way (as far as what has been released to date) to get the firmer suspension & bigger brakes without the Z51 package, and no way to get Z51 without the wing and splitter.

        No way to get A/S tires from the factory in the Z51. You'd have to buy it with the summer tires and buy A/S tires on the aftermarket.

        Nav and PDR are available without Z51. They are standard on the 2LT and 3LT, and optional (RPO code IOT) on the 1LT.



        Performance Exhaust is available as a stand alone option without Z51, (RPO code NPP).



        We have no information about cost, yet. Costs should be available August 15th. But a couple of notes:

        Z51 does NOT include the Nav and PDR. To get that you either need to pay for the IOT audio system upgrade (on the 1LT), or pay for the 2LT package. The 2LT includes Nav / PDR whether you get the Z51 or not.

        NPP on the C7 cost about $1100. Z51 on the C7 cost about $5000, but we have no idea how much it will cost on the C8. Maybe less, because on the C7 it did include Nav / PDR.

        MHO: If you're not going to track the car, you're not going to overtax the base car suspension and brakes on the street. Ever. I've had my base model C7 on several tracks (not racing, but driving hard and fast) and it does just fine. Yes, the Z51 would be better on the track, but on the street the base C7 will handle speeds far in excess of what is safe.
        Z51 did not include Nav or PDR on C7, my 17 Z51 1Lt does not have either. I am not big on tons of options on a sports/track car and I put my own cam in, but so far my initial C8 order is in for 2 LT because I like chevys PDR after using it at spring mountain, for me Z51 is a must but 2LT is optional if its more then 5-6K
        Last edited by Pzilly; 08-06-2019, 10:10 PM.

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        • #5
          I stand corrected on the PDR. You're right, it was optional on all trims and packages except the 3LT.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by vcappp View Post
            Is there anyway such as override option to opt out the baby wing and the front splitter from the Z51 package and keep the rest of performance options of the Z51 package + no 6 holes on the bumper in the back?

            I as a designer see that the baby wing and the front splitter make the look of C8 ugly busy. The C8 look without them is cleaner, better and more exotic.
            I have the same perspective, but it looks like Z51 always comes with the wing.

            I'm planning on a convertible, and I like the Z51 for the bigger brakes and tranny gearing, so I am considering Z51 in my build. It will be interesting to see if the Z51 convertible also must come with the baby wing.

            If it does, I may get the Z51 convertible with the baby wing, knowing that there will be aftermarket options within ~6 months to replace the wing using the same factory bolt holes. I suspect there will be several desirable options available.

            So, I may get the Z51, see if the baby wing grows on me (it's not that bad after all, but I do like the "clean" look without the wing) and consider aftermarket options as they appear.

            The other option is to simply replace the rear fascia, which will be a potentially expensive proposition, unless the bolt holes can be filled in the existing fascia and then repainted by a competent body shop.
            My C8:
            '20 Elkhart Lake Blue 2LT Coupe, Natural Interior, GT2 Two-Tone Seats, Performance Exhaust, Front Lift, Carbon Flash Wheels, Engine Appearance Package 2000 Status December 27, 2019; 3000 Status January 2, 2020; 3400 Status March 10, 2020;TPW March 16, 2020; Built June 4th, 2020 (COVID-19); Delivery July 1, 2020

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            • #7
              [QUOTE=JB;n56874]The test mules showed horrible rear wing but what has been shown at the reveal is fine.

              no need for spoiler or splitter delete.


              If you don't like it, you don't like it and I'm among the group that doesn't like it!

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              • #8
                I have come ti like the baby wing...its not as offensive as the test mules weirdly shaped rear wing so Im ok with it..

                ill look f the acs aftermarket wing when they develop one...

                Like I mentioned though.,,my hatred of the test mule spoiler has turned to im ok with the painted baby spoiler.

                ive never really beej a fan of wings and spoilers in general..

                i prefer a clean look and I never really care about downforce etc...

                sometimes less is more ...and when shown in production form...the rear spoiler no longer offends me..

                no car is every perfect...there is usually one or two aspects of any design we all can see a few less than desirable traits.

                just the nature of the beast I guess.

                not a big deal..

                even if the z51 wing was a delete option...im not so sure I would delete it at this point..

                once I heard the rumor you could not delete it ....because the front splitter and rear wing balance the aerodynamics....blah blah...i became good with the painted rear spoiler as a seamless addition visually

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mobius View Post
                  ...unless the bolt holes can be filled in the existing fascia and then repainted by a competent body shop.
                  Tell people they provide supplementary cooling for the engine compartment and you had to pay extra for them.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Klinn View Post

                    Tell people they provide supplementary cooling for the engine compartment and you had to pay extra for them.
                    As well as weight reduction!
                    My C8:
                    '20 Elkhart Lake Blue 2LT Coupe, Natural Interior, GT2 Two-Tone Seats, Performance Exhaust, Front Lift, Carbon Flash Wheels, Engine Appearance Package 2000 Status December 27, 2019; 3000 Status January 2, 2020; 3400 Status March 10, 2020;TPW March 16, 2020; Built June 4th, 2020 (COVID-19); Delivery July 1, 2020

                    Current Vettes:
                    '68 Lemans Blue 327/350 Convertible
                    '91 Turquoise Convertible with Hardtop
                    '14 Lime Rock Green 2LT Convertible, Black Top, Kalahari, 7-Speed, Performance Exhaust

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                    • #11
                      I asked this of my Corvette Concierge when he called recently. He stated that the imbalance with the front splitter would cause a safety issue.

                      I prefer the look without it. (The rear deck already has the crease that suggests sort of a micro spoiler.) It makes getting the Z51 a bit of a question for me, as I don't plan to drive the car hard, but am quite interested in the MRC suspension.

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                      • #12
                        Welcome carPDX! We are glad you joined us.

                        I understand your preference (and there are more than a others who feel identically as you do), but GM will only sell you a C8 without both a splitter and a spoiler, or with both, e.g., no one but not the other.

                        But once you own it, you remove could the spoiler and get its six attaching holes filled. I know, what a expensive PIA.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by CarPDX View Post
                          I asked this of my Corvette Concierge when he called recently. He stated that the imbalance with the front splitter would cause a safety issue.
                          Originally posted by John View Post
                          ...but GM will only sell you a C8 without both a splitter and a spoiler, or with both, e.g., no one but not the other.
                          But GM will cheerfully allow you to add the High Wing without requiring any splitter. And the high wing supposedly generates even more downforce than the Z51 spoiler. This can be found in both the Visualizer and in the Order Guide. Sorry, but it doesn't add up. The whole "aero balance safety issue" thing is starting to sound like just a talking point GM is putting out. They know that the vast majority of their buyers never actually reach the sort of high speeds where aero starts making a noticeable impact.
                          Last edited by Klinn; 08-08-2019, 04:50 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by John View Post
                            Welcome carPDX! We are glad you joined us.

                            I understand your preference (and there are more than a others who feel identically as you do), but GM will only sell you a C8 without both a splitter and a spoiler, or with both, e.g., no one but not the other.

                            But once you own it, you remove could the spoiler and get its six attaching holes filled. I know, what a expensive PIA.
                            Thank you John! Fantastic work you're doing!

                            Yes, it's a bit of a balancing act. Not a fan of the spoiler and probably better off with the all-seasons (in the wet northwest).

                            But as you suggest, those items can be addressed after the fact. The spoiler could be removed, then even added back later if desired. Whereas choosing not to get Z51 with MRC is a far more permanent decision.

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                            • #15
                              What we owners do to their post-delivered car is no longer their liability.
                              Z06 coming late this summer: Hypersonic Gray HTC, two tone blue interior, complete high wing/aero package. CCB’s, with every piece of visible carbon fiber available to us. Lifetime, annual contributors, and 24 year members of National Corvette Museum. Home is the beautiful Pacific Northwest.

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