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  • Did ME <7 Minutes at 'Ring

    Apparently the base ME has ripped a sub-7 minute time at the 'Ring while testing.

    Originally posted by roadandtrack
    I Know the Mid-Engine Corvette Prototype's Nurburgring Lap Time

    I was there with my stopwatch when the mid-engine Corvette prototype turned its first fast lap at the 'Ring. But there's more to the story than minutes and seconds.

    BY DALE LOMAS
    SEP 13, 2018

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    DALE LOMAS

    Nürburg, Germany. It’s shortly after 5:30 PM, and I’m sitting on the roof of my VW T4 Caravelle (that’s a VW Eurovan in your lingo). I’ve just finished my own test-driving shift, but now I’ve come back to the ‘Ring to watch somebody else do their own bit of test-driving in a private session, rather than the open lapping that’s been running all day.

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    DALE LOMAS

    The sun is setting behind the iconic black castle, casting a golden halo through the late summer bugs and pollen. The sheetmetal of the VW's roof is pleasantly warm through my trousers (not pants), and from this perch I can see along the entire length of the Nordschleife’s Döttinger Höhe straight.

    It’s over a mile long, and glimmering through the heat haze are the lashed-together LED lights of the approaching mid-engined C8 Corvette prototype. I've got one finger hovering over the stopwatch app on my phone as the big V8 covers the distance incredibly quickly. The intake noise of the engine changes note as the ‘Vette climbs the long hill towards the Antoniusbuche, the bridge I'm watching from. This is a fast one, I know it.

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    DALE LOMAS

    Just as I’m ready to stab the button, the phone buzzes. The screen is unresponsive. Dammit! A call is incoming. There’s just enough time to send it to voicemail and flick back to the stopwatch app. I glance at the timer just as the C8 roars underneath the bridge, vibrations of its 185-mph fly-by spreading through the concrete structure like an errant aftershock.

    Under the bridge, around the blind left, and the Corvette driver is still flat out, a good sign that he’s trying hard. Seconds later, out of sight, the roar of the V8 dies suddenly as the car crosses the official finish line at T13 and exits the Nordschleife just a few yards later.


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    DALE LOMAS

    I stop the second timer. I look again. It’s not a lap record, it’s not even close. And it’s certainly not the first American supercar to go under seven minutes. That’s all I really need to know. It’s all anybody needs to know.

    In fact, the lap time is so far off a new lap record that if I were to write it down I’d probably incur a couple of half-hearted internet forum death-threats, a dozen or so flame-threads and at least a hundred insults.

    Why? Because lap times at the Nürburgring seem to be the a new kind of cryptocurrency. Manufacturers can’t spend a lap time, but they sure can turn them into clicks, and clicks make sales. Magazines, blogs and websites turn those clicks into readers, who click other things and make them money.

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    DALE LOMAS

    Rewind the clocks to April, when I reported that the Porsche GT2 RS had a most excellent night, and the Corvette team didn’t.

    That session was a special private booking specifically for lap timing, and while the Porsche went sub-seven and gathered a dozen high-fives in pit lane, the Corvette ZR1 didn’t. Just a bunch of grim faces and much checking of phones and clipboards. Now, I don’t know why it didn’t hit the aimed-for 6:57 lap time. (A retirement gift given to recently-departed GM test driver Jim Mero, and discovered by the sleuths at CorvetteBlogger, seems to indicate that the ZR1's unofficial 6:57 was calculated from "best sector times," where the best segments from numerous laps are combined to make a theoretical full lap time that was never physically run.) Maybe the Nordschleife was a little wet in one place, maybe the test driver had an inopportune bout of flatulence in a key section, maybe a little green man stopped him to ask for directions halfway around the Karussell.

    But because I reported the facts of what I’d seen, I received many messages from many fans explaining that I didn’t see it, or that I’d got the timing wrong, or that I was just plain lying because Porsche had "paid me off." The language was colorful, but the point was clear enough: Even talking about lap times is dangerous.

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    DALE LOMAS

    Lap times are normally only released by the manufacturer, specifically by its marketing team, in controlled conditions for maximum effect. But the nature of the open-to-the-public Nürburgring means it’s hard to keep a lid on the information. After lap times of the GT2 RS and GT3 RS spilled out onto the internet, uncontrolled, within minutes of each run, Porsche developed a new strategy for their 919 Evo laps in June, live-tweeting each and every lap time as it happened.
    https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...rburgring-lap/


    While the author of the article doesn't seem to find this that interesting, those of us who know the C7 Z06 and ZR1 have failed to go sub-7 minutes will likely find this to be an interesting data point.
    Last edited by John; 09-13-2018, 12:17 PM.

  • #2
    The author also needs to realize that this is the base model haha.

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    • #3
      I agree. If the base level ME really did run a sub-7 minute lap, that's notable.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by OnPoint View Post
        I agree. If the base level ME really did run a sub-7 minute lap, that's notable.
        yup, just wait for the Z06
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        • #5
          Please, please, please..... Let's not get too excited. That is nothing to write home about. Anyway, this was most likely nothing more than a chance to do some chassis and software 'tweaking' while taking advantage of the global motoring press 'spies' to set up a GREAT free photo opportunity with all the associated FREE publicity. The REAL lap times will be established a year + from now by their in house factory 'hot shoe' and the next ME Z06.....

          The 'base' ME is not intended to be a 'ring' stormer. Lots of capabilities, yes! Ring bragging times, no way.
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          • #6
            That's impressive - I look forward to seeing the production car's lap times.

            If you believe Wikipedia, there have only been 8 production cars that have ever run below 7 seconds - three Lambos, three Porsches and a pair of Radical SR8s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...iming_entities
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            • #7
              Originally posted by tooold2race View Post
              Please, please, please..... Let's not get too excited. That is nothing to write home about. Anyway, this was most likely nothing more than a chance to do some chassis and software 'tweaking' while taking advantage of the global motoring press 'spies' to set up a GREAT free photo opportunity with all the associated FREE publicity. The REAL lap times will be established a year + from now by their in house factory 'hot shoe' and the next ME Z06.....

              The 'base' ME is not intended to be a 'ring' stormer. Lots of capabilities, yes! Ring bragging times, no way.

              I agree their primary focus at this point is tweaking and calibration. After all, that is always their primary focus (and if, while they're there they get a chance to run for time they do).

              That said, even though they are no doubt still focused on tuning, calibration and tweaking, if the base ME really did run sub-7 minutes, that actually is rather notable.

              Just for some perspective, the new 911 GT3 RS ran a bonkers 6:56.4 at the Nurburgring Nordschliefe with factory driver Kevin Estre at the wheel, beating the mighty 918 Spyder.

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              • #8
                Dale Lomas is the ring Guru. He started www.bridgetogantry.com and does not BS. I've been following him for years and he is upstanding and forthright. I absolutely believe in his reporting. Also both GT2RS and GT3RS times were done with essentially race rubber. Reports of the GT2RS real lap time of 7:02s with the production spec tires that come on the car when purchasing in America. If this Zora went under 7 minutes this early in the game this is huge.
                Last edited by Skank; 09-13-2018, 11:27 AM.

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                • #9
                  The way the author phrased it is somewhat imprecise. He could very well have meant it didn't go sub-7 (as no American car has), and as such isn't the first one to go sub-7.

                  Will be interesting to see what additional data comes out.

                  John - if this turns out to be correct interp of the author's statement (i.e. it wasn't the first one to go sub-7 i.e. it didn't go sub-7), please bin this thread.

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                  • #10
                    Actually, John - can you change the title of the thread to: "Did the ME go sub-7 minutes at the 'Ring?'

                    Probably better phrased as a question.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by OnPoint View Post
                      The way the author phrased it is somewhat imprecise. He could very well have meant it didn't go sub-7 (as no American car has), and as such isn't the first one to go sub-7.

                      Will be interesting to see what additional data comes out.

                      John - if this turns out to be correct interp of the author's statement (i.e. it wasn't the first one to go sub-7 i.e. it didn't go sub-7), please bin this thread.
                      I agree, had to read over it a few times. I believe the author was implying it did not run a sub 7. It is implying that there has never been an American super car to run a sub 7, and the mid engine is not the first.

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                      • #12
                        I doubt he meant it went under 7. If it did he would report it.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by OnPoint View Post
                          The way the author phrased it is somewhat imprecise. He could very well have meant it didn't go sub-7 (as no American car has), and as such isn't the first one to go sub-7.

                          Will be interesting to see what additional data comes out.

                          John - if this turns out to be correct interp of the author's statement (i.e. it wasn't the first one to go sub-7 i.e. it didn't go sub-7), please bin this thread.
                          that's exactly what he meant. That is, the car did NOT go under 7 seconds.

                          The car is NOT chasing track times...its testing...not sure what the author was trying to accomplish with this article...much to do about nothing.
                          Last edited by PaulChristian; 09-13-2018, 05:49 PM.

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                          • #14
                            I think it’s too early to be going for lap times. Heck wouldn’t it take months of testing. He said it was it’s 6th day there.

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                            • #15
                              Thank you OnPoint for finding and post the thread! Great information for all us to consider. We saw yesterday from vettedna that the ME had rented time at the ‘Ring to do private testing. At the very least, it was an amazing bit of testing/learning.

                              I am not yet ready to discount anything, for as Skank has noted, he has followed Dale Lomas, and he is the real deal, e.g., the ‘Ring guru.

                              We shall all ponder and cogitate and consider and evaluate and speculate — and this brings us a little closer to the 2020 mid engine Corvette’s reveal as we do so.

                              Thanks again OnPoint!
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