Official Z06 Speculation Thread

[SheepDog]

Sunshine after the storm is extra bright and lasting warm. Our society is wealthier than ever. Distribution????? Want the Z06 believe and grasp.

[Missileer]

Ok... so I won’t get into the TT v NA debate as that is way too hard to predict, but given Cadillac Blackwing CTV-5 will push 668hp (admittedly SC), I think it is a safe bet that the Z06 will have a minimum of 700hp.

No way Chevrolet will allow the GM halo car to play 2nd fiddle to a hotted up family cruiser.

[SheepDog]

Ok... so I won’t get into the TT v NA debate as that is way too hard to predict, but given Cadillac Blackwing CTV-5 will push 668hp (admittedly SC), I think it is a safe bet that the Z06 will have a minimum of 700hp.

No way Chevrolet will allow the GM halo car to play 2nd fiddle to a hotted up family cruiser.

Good thinking , Missileer. The Z06 will be cross shopped against the Porsche GT3. Probably not the Cadillac, Apply your theory to the Naturally aspirated 503 HP Porsche. That 503 HP car ran the Ring in sub 7 minutes. Therefore how much more that 503 HP will the Z06 need to run one inch ahead of the GT3 over a 13 mile race course. If the C8 Z06 requires 700 HP to out perform the 503 HP GT3, then it is a problem. That would be an C8 engineering debacle.

Do not want that . . .

Porsche has challenged the fledgling C8Z06 to a duel on gun hill with matched weapons. What's it going to be? Shot gun against pistol.

[Missileer]

Good thinking , Missileer. The Z06 will be cross shopped against the Porsche GT3. Probably not the Cadillac, Apply your theory to the Naturally aspirated 503 HP Porsche. That 503 HP car ran the Ring in sub 7 minutes. Therefore how much more that 503 HP will the Z06 need to run one inch ahead of the GT3 over a 13 mile race course. If the C8 Z06 requires 700 HP to out perform the 503 HP GT3, then it is a problem. That would be an C8 engineering debacle.

Do not want that . . .

Porsche has challenged the fledgling C8Z06 to a duel on gun hill with matched weapons. What's it going to be? Shot gun against pistol.

Fair point...but one could take a different view.

Why beat it by an inch? Why not 100m or more?

All while doing it for less $ and in a comparatively high volume car?

It will be interesting to see if the Corvette team is willing to give Caddy the HP wreath for a few years or longer.

[John]

The C8 Z06 will weigh less than the Caddy. Personally HP numbers are not as important to me as being tops in performance against exotic competitors.

[Missileer]

The C8 Z06 will weigh less than the Caddy. Personally HP numbers are not as important to me as being tops in performance against exotic competitors.

I feel the same way. I mean there is only so much you can reasonably use on the roads.

just postulating as to whether GM will allow their big power brand to be a Cadillac.

Guess we shall see.

[SheepDog]

The 9000K RPM character of the the FPC will be a different power delivery. Less snatch and ****. And more-going-on at the top of the RPM range. It will be a different style of power delivery in the, already, very different car. And the tranny will shift in the power band. This one will be Cute.

[Meldoon]

If the new Z06 uses turbos, I wonder if they will utilize the newfangled electric assisted turbos. Apparently many benefits to performance and economy.

[SheepDog]

[Missileer]

The 9000K RPM character of the the FPC will be a different power delivery. Less snatch and ****. And more-going-on at the top of the RPM range. It will be a different style of power delivery in the, already, very different car. And the tranny will shift in the power band. This one will be Cute.

Agreed.... I shake my head at all the folks I have heard whining about the lack of performance if the car is NA v TT. They clearly are not taking into consideration the engine power and and transmission gearing which play such a greater role.

[Missileer]

The Whitepaper and summary found here on e-Turbos are well worth a read

https://www.garrettmotion.com/electr...rrett-e-turbo/

[John]

It is truly amazing the speed of automotive enhancements in so many areas.

[SheepDog]

The CR-8 is BoP capped at 7000 RPMs to keep it a fair and competitive contest against the smaller displacement 9000 RPM 911RSR.
The C8-R and the 91RSR are both 2700lbs and are both 500HP

The GT3 is 3000Lbs and 503HP
The C8 Z06 will be ????? lbs and ???? HP

How adventurous will Corvette Team be with the Z06 weight. ???? How low dare they go?
How much luxury will the Z06 buyer be willing to sacrifice , from the luxury palette, for the advantage of lightness and performance.???

The lightness of the Z06 is up to the Customer Attitude as assessed by the Corvette marketing people.

If we get a fat Z06 then that will be the marketing view of the customer.
There may be a $$$$ factor too.

[John]

Historically approximately 90% of Z06 customers are just as luxury demanding as 95% of Stingray buyers. Those numbers could shift with the amount of brand conquests (new to Corvettes) that the C8 is bringing but overall I would be surprised if even with new and younger customers that lower than 80% of C8 Z06 customers would put up with less luxury.

Let’s go back just five years and listen to the outcries of so many C7 buyers (again except the roughly 10% each year( demanding of Tadge that he add right then such enhancements as blind spot protection, back up alarms, and even quite a few still demanding and ****ed off that the C8 does not have automatically emergency braking.

GM is not going to sway from its formula that has made them a ton of Corvette money by more than a little bit. I personally doubt the formula will change at all for year one of the Z06 for its entry and the middle versions, and think even the Z07 version is going to be about the same weight While they will institute weight cutting measures, they will be counteracted IMO by wider tires and wheels, and other HD components. If we get a Z07 that weighs as little as as an entry C8 Stingray with no options, I would be majorly surprised.

For those new to this discussion, it is the identical one that occurred in 2014 when on forums a strong-willed bunch talked about the weight savings the C7 Z06 needed to have for them to buy it, and while a small number did follow through (yes the C7 Z06 weighed more than the C7 Stingray to their consternation), the demand for the C7 Z06 was so great that many late to ordering (a situation we have right now) had to either wait until year 2 OR had to pay over sticker. I believe it is going to be the same, “second verse, same as the first.” And maybe more so with the already massive, larger than ever before, pre Z06 orders.

Perhaps and hopefully I am wrong, that with magnesiumwheels,titanium exhaust and more carbon fiber body panels, the Z06 could shave off net a little amount of weight compared to the entry C8 Stingray.

[Missileer]

Historically approximately 90% of Z06 customers are just as luxury demanding as 95% of Stingray buyers. Those numbers could shift with the amount of brand conquests (new to Corvettes) that the C8 is bringing but overall I would be surprised if even with new and younger customers that lower than 80% of C8 Z06 customers would put up with less luxury.

Let’s go back just five years and listen to the outcries of so many C7 buyers (again except the roughly 10% each year( demanding of Tadge that he add right then such enhancements as blind spot protection, back up alarms, and even quite a few still demanding and ****ed off that the C8 does not have automatically emergency braking.

GM is not going to sway from its formula that has made them a ton of Corvette money by more than a little bit. I personally doubt the formula will change at all for year one of the Z06 for its entry and the middle versions, and think even the Z07 version is going to be about the same weight While they will institute weight cutting measures, they will be counteracted IMO by wider tires and wheels, and other HD components. If we get a Z07 that weighs as little as as an entry C8 Stingray with no options, I would be majorly surprised.

For those new to this discussion, it is the identical one that occurred in 2014 when on forums a strong-willed bunch talked about the weight savings the C7 Z06 needed to have for them to buy it, and while a small number did follow through (yes the C7 Z06 weighed more than the C7 Stingray to their consternation), the demand for the C7 Z06 was so great that many late to ordering (a situation we have right now) had to either wait until year 2 OR had to pay over sticker. I believe it is going to be the same, “second verse, same as the first.” And maybe more so with the already massive, larger than ever before, pre Z06 orders.

Perhaps and hopefully I am wrong, that with magnesiumwheels,titanium exhaust and more carbon fiber body panels, the Z06 could shave off net a little amount of weight compared to the entry C8 Stingray.

Spot on sir...