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  • C8 Z51 Stingray Can Out Perform the C7 Z06 in Everyway

    • Do you anticipate that the C8 Stingray with 495 HP will comprehensively out perform the 650HP C7 Z06
    • In the below thread a Corvette Engineer at Road Americ yesterday is quoted as saying the the base Stingray will out perform the C7 Z06 in every way. Did the Z06 do 10.9 according to official Corvette statements? Taken literally , in every way includes zero to 60MPH, to 100, 150, quarter mile, half mile , top speed and every other way. If it means what it says it means. On the well known race tracks too? Can't wait to see this amazing car perform.

      "Questions from the crowd to the brass resulted in these answers:"

      ". . .
      -When asked how they can claim the Stingray Z51 performance is superior to the current Z06; he gave a fascinating mini course on the performance advantages of the new C8 design and confirmed that "yes, it will outperform the current Z06 in every way. Our forum has already many thread discussion the details."

      Presentation by Ed Piatek & Doug Fehan Thanks to “George”
      by John
      This is now in a separate thread as George requested. If you are not yet familiar with the name Ed Piatek, he is the Corvette Chief Engineer...
    Last edited by SheepDog; 08-04-2019, 09:21 PM.

  • #2
    I won't be surprised if, on a technical track with lots of turns and relatively short straights, the C8 is quicker. It'll put its power to the ground better, and it will probably have higher cornering speeds in slow turns, and maybe even fast ones.

    On tracks with long straights, I won't be surprised if the greater HP doesn't make up for the other advantages of the C8.
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    • #3
      I made this prediction to a top member of the Corvette team three months ago, and his face turned ashen when I said, “I would not doubt on a tight, technical track like Lime Rock, that the C8 will meet or exceed the Z06’s best time at that track.” — his response was as if I had found out some total confidential info that GM will announce later that we would be hearing in an upcoming GM press release. We shall see if I was correct...
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      • #4
        Id be surprised if a c7 z06 was outperformed by a c8 z51 fe4...I womt be disappointed if the c8 is outperformed by the 650 hp top dog c7 z06...

        the c7 z06 is a monster. Its an exotic car killer...

        if the c8 z51 beats it in a few metrics Ill be utterly impressed...

        a tight track even more so..l

        all out performance i fully expect a c7 z06 is superior and Im ok with that.

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        • #5
          Well I don’t see a GM product in the top ten at the Nurburgring though there are 3 production Porsche’s plus a spattering of Lambo’s and other “exotics”. Exotic killer, not quite, Sorry. But Nurburgring times are just one measure of the cars performance and honestly, not really relevant when it comes to real world driving.

          IMHO the Milford proving grounds layout more closely resembles real world by design and considering how controlled the environment is the C8’s numbers there will say a lot more about how much it’s advanced than any of the other high profile ****ing contests.
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          • #6
            Im think lately the porsche top times are running some ridiculous tire compound that really cant be used on the street...i think thats what I read...

            the Porsches latest vehicles are cool i tend to think the corvette chassis engineers are on their game...

            base c8 z51 versus porsche 911 base or even the nice 911 T model should be no trouble...

            none of us know yet so of course we are just speculating so thats just my opinion...

            i think the starting price of the 911 begins now at 91 grand ...with the t model a little more and a little more sporting..

            the 2020 porsche 911 S starts at 113 grand and goes up...

            i dont believe the winderful porsche 911 s starting at 113 grand and going north rather quickly will out perform say a 67 grand c8 z51 fe4...

            i hate that terminology bang for the buck...but a new car with a warranty that is the best performance is kind of what rings my bell for personal favorite...

            immsure we will see a million tests between the corvette z51 fe4 and every competitor the auto journalists can imagine...

            the next few months should be entertaining to say the least...





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            • #7


              There is reason to suspect that Corvette has tested the Z51 C8 against the Z06 and has something to tell us , in time.

              Not to create a deviation from topic, but. There are numerous supercars not in the top ten. Maybe the Z06 kills some of them. The Ferraris, Mclarens, NSX, R8 do not seem to be listed.



              From: Auto Express below:

              Fastest Nurburgring lap times 2019: quickest cars and lap records



              Read on below to find out which production cars have delivered the fastest Nurburgring Nordschleife laps

              10. Lexus LFA Nurburgring Package - 7:14.64s

              Kitted out with a 4.8-litre V10 engine delivering 562bhp, this 500-strong special edition of the Lexus LFA was - as the name suggests - built with the Nurburgring in mind. A £63,000 mark-up on the standard car brought with it more downforce, a lowered suspension, track day tyres and much else besides. All that translated into a time of 7:14.64s in 2011, which remains good enough for the top ten today.

              9. Chevrolet Corvette C7 Z06 - 7:13.90s

              One of only two American cars to make the top ten, the Chevrolet Corvette C7 Z06 produces 641bhp and 881Nm of torque thanks to its supercharged 6.2-litre V8 engine. Fitted with Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tyres - as so many fast cars are these days - the Z06 set an unoffical time of 7:13.90s when it went round the ‘Ring in 2017.

              8. Gumpert Apollo Sport - 7:11.57s
              Awkwardly named and no less awkward to look at, the Gumpert Apollo makes up for a lack of beauty with brutish pace. A 710bhp twin-turbo V8 powered the Sport version to a 7:11.57s lap in 2009.

              7. Mercedes AMG GT R - 7:10.92s

              Mercedes’ new hardcore AMG GT R left its mark on the Nurburgring in 2016, posting a rapid lap time of 7:10.92s. The Porsche 911 GT3 RS rival packs a 503bhp 4.0-litre twin-turbo V8, is capable of 0-62mph in 3.6 seconds and has a top speed of 198mph. 15kg has been shaved off the standard car, and a combination of new aero appendages and carbon fibre bodywork makes the £143,245 Merc supercar stand out.


              6. Nissan GT-R Nismo - 7:08.59s

              Nissan claims that the 7:08.69s lap time recorded by its monstrous 2015 GT-R Nismo is a Nurburgring lap record for a ‘volume production car’.

              Best track day cars

              It’s certainly a more affordable and usable prospect than the majority of cars on this list, but the record-breaking GT-R Nismo was equipped with various “track options” to save weight and improve aerodynamics. The Nurburgring lap time is all about bragging rights after all, so who can blame Nissan for trying?

              5. Dodge Viper ACR - 7:01.03s

              Many people hoped the Dodge Viper ACR would crack the 7-minute mark having set a time of 7:12.13 with its 2010 edition of the car, but alas it narrowly missed out. However, its consolation prize is that it remains the fastest manual production car to lap the ‘Ring, which a fairly major accolade amongst petrolheads. It packs an 8.4-litre V10 producing 645bhp and 813Nm of torque, which secures some bragging rights.


              4. Porsche 918 Spyder (Weissach Package) - 6:57s

              While McLaren was being unusually coy about the Nurburgring lapping prowess of its P1 hybrid hypercar (it will only say that the P1 has done a sub 7-minute lap), Porsche rocked up and clocked a 6:57s lap in its 918 Spyder, albeit one benefitting from Porsche’s Weissach Package. It's the first - and so far only - of the 'Big Three' to post an official time, giving the LaFerrari and P1 something to aim for.

              With a combined 875bhp and 944lb ft of torque from its petrol-electric powertrain, the all-wheel-drive machine blitzed the ‘Ring in September 2013, holding the outright production record until the arrival of the Lamborghini Huracan Performante.


              3. Lamborghini Huracan Performante - 6:52:01s
              Ahead of its big reveal at the Geneva Motor Show, Lamborghinireleased footage of its new, track-focused Huracan Performante tearing round the ‘Green Hell’ in an astonishing time of 6:52.01s. Shrouded in a camouflage wrap, the 5.2-litre V10 powered beast was piloted by test driver Marco Mapelli, who surely gained a handsome bonus on his paycheck at the end of the month. Worth every penny.


              2. Porsche 911 GT2 RS - 6:47.3s

              Porsche said it was targeting a lap time in the region of 7:05s when it first conceived the 911 GT2 RS. But it absolutely smashed that figure, and knocked the Lamborghini Huracan Performante off its perch with a blistering record run of 6:47.3 at the hands of test driver Lars Kern in late 2017.

              The GT2 RS completed the lap on Michelin Pilot Cup 2 tyres, and although these were developed specifically for this model, they are both road legal and standard for the production car. Recently, a GT2 RS MR with modifications by Manthey-Racing completed a lap of 6.40.3s and you can read more about that feat in the 'Other Nurburgring records' section below.

              Two other 911s hold legitimate claims to the top ten: the 911 GT3 RS has posted a 6:56.4s lap, while the GT3 clocked a time of 7:12.7s when it went round the Nurburgring in anger. So it’s fair to say that 911s take to the Nordschleife quite well.

              1. Lamborghini Aventador SVJ - 6:44.97s

              Having seen the Huracan Performante dethroned in September 2017, Lamborghini took less than a year to reclaim the lap record at the Nurburgring. This time they snatched it with the Aventador SVJ, which lowered the benchmark to a 6:44.97s - more than two seconds faster than the GT2 RS - thanks to its 760bhp version of Lambo’s 6.5-litre V12.

              The mighty Aventador SVJ is based on the Aventador SV, which itself has lapped the Nurburgring in under seven minutes, hitting 6:59.73s in 2015. Porsche, the ball is back in your court…


              From: Auto Express above:


              If the C8 is competitive against the Z06, then it might be competitive against all super cars except , maybe, the top ten. The C6 Z06 did 7:21 at the ring in 2009 with 505 HP. The addition of 250HP in the 2018 ZR! only improved the Ring time by 8 seconds to 7:13.

              So just maybe it is true that the C8 Stingray Z51 can whip the C7 Z06 "in every way".
              Last edited by SheepDog; 08-05-2019, 09:42 AM.

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              • #8
                I think a lot of people are underestimating the benefit that the continuous power delivery will provide from the Dual Clutch Transmission. That feature alone could make a world of difference especially on a tight track with a lot of shift points.

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                • #9
                  Man, now I have a new car to dream of: A Gumpert Apollo!
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                  • #10
                    While listening carefully to Ed's comments at Road America, I took his comparison information to be focused on 'real world driving', which is what most of the questions from the crowd were about. High performance public road driving. He did mention 0-60 times but certainly did not go down a long technical check list such as Z06 records in ever single category. And he did not have the time to cover lengthy technical conversations about various track specifics. I think it would take some follow-up questions to him as to whether he was including every possible track performance scenario when he said "every way".

                    I can tell you one thing for sure, Ed is one sharp and personable engineer. He could also be a motivational speaker. Who among us wouldn't love to have a direct line to him for accurate mechanical information about the car he designed!
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                    • #11
                      Throwing around lap times done by other drivers is not important. My question to you guys is: what are YOUR lap times.
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                      • #12
                        There are few Corvette owners that push the performance limits of their cars.

                        I attended Spring Mountain Corvette Owners school last year. After a trip around the track in the passenger seat while a pro drove the GS I was in, I realized there was no way my driving style would ever realize the full potential of my car.

                        It's nice to know what your car is capable of but realistically street driving limits us. Even on a closed track most of us would fall short of experiencing the all out performance of our Corvettes.

                        Which is not to say I don't love having a powerful and race ready Corvette to drive on the street!
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Racer86 View Post
                          Throwing around lap times done by other drivers is not important. My question to you guys is: what are YOUR lap times.
                          Not nearly as fast as they were when I was in my 20s and racing motorcycles. Now I know how much it hurts to fall off, and my old bones are too brittle to risk it.

                          In a Corvette, with practice on a particular track, I could probably get to 80 or 90% of the capability of the car. At my age, my reflexes and eyesight aren't what they used to be, and I'm not going to try to push to the very limit any more. And, to be honest, I don't enjoy working that hard behind the wheel any more.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Racer86 View Post
                            Throwing around lap times done by other drivers is not important. My question to you guys is: what are YOUR lap times.
                            Not important to experienced, accomplished performers. But in the world of us snails it's a stand-in for important. Like watching the New England Patriots, arguing the stats and buying the jerseys and tickets. And maybe doing a little virtual scrimmage.

                            Buy a quickest car. Drive carefully and slowly feeling the sprit..
                            Last edited by SheepDog; 08-05-2019, 11:01 AM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by mjw930 View Post
                              Well I don’t see a GM product in the top ten at the Nurburgring though there are 3 production Porsche’s plus a spattering of Lambo’s and other “exotics”. Exotic killer, not quite, Sorry. But Nurburgring times are just one measure of the cars performance and honestly, not really relevant when it comes to real world driving.

                              IMHO the Milford proving grounds layout more closely resembles real world by design and considering how controlled the environment is the C8’s numbers there will say a lot more about how much it’s advanced than any of the other high profile ****ing contests.
                              I did some subsequent searches and the list of Ring lap times is all over the place so my first line may or may not be accurate. I also never meant it as a slight to the Z06 as it's a super capable car and every bit part of the worlds elite performers. I just don't think Ring times mean much and certainly don't weigh into my purchasing decisions.

                              That being said, if the C8 Z51 laps the Milford proving grounds faster than a Z06, and I suspect it does, THAT tells me it is going to raise a lot of eyebrows..
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