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    The C8 Corvette Feels More Comfortable and More Useful Than All Comparable Mid-engine Sports Cars


    by Safet Satara, on July 31, 2019, 08:00
    Bigger is better! Or is it? Car enthusiasts all across the U.S. will ponder this for years to come thanks to the fact that the new 2020 Corvette C8 is larger compared to its peers. It is longer, with a bigger boot, longer wheelbase, and more meat to carry around. I cannot call this a surprise considering that the new Corvette has to be a daily usable, affordable, and ready to accommodate daily shopping needs regularly - this only requires substantial luggage capacity - a number that hovers around 357 liters in the C8. Try to find that much trunk space in other mid-engine cars.

    As far as the weight goes, GM did an excellent job of keeping it at reasonable levels, but you can do only so much without building your car from some crazy expensive unobtanium. At about 3,600 pounds (ready for a drive), the Corvette C8 isn’t the lightest, but no one should care about that at a $60k starting price.
    Read More:2020 CHEVY C8 CORVETTE VS. OTHER MID-ENGINE OFFERINGS IN SIZE

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    The new Chevy Corvette C7, at 182.2 inches, measures exactly 5.3 inches longer compared to the Corvette C7. If you do carefully examine the pointy front end and the size of the boot opening in the back, I think that the reason for generous dimensions presents itself. It is a three-fold reason.
    First, the base C8 Corvette's structure would not allow for the integration of large enough trunk in the back.


    Adding much-needed real-estate increased the space in the back, allowing the engineers to form rather generously-sized boot. So much so that you can easily fit the roof of the C8 Vette in there. Neat!

    The front end gets an enlargement pill too. I don’t believe that we ever had such a pointy front end on the Corvette. The design decisions required a bit more meat in the front. That’s for sure!
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    Then, there’s the sheer matter of packaging. The dry-sump V-8 behind the front seats, but in front of the rear axle needs a lot of space. If the GM tasked the C8 Corvette to sit in a garage of the people who are all about turbocharging and downsizing, then the Vette would not have a big boot in the back, it would replace the V-8 with a V-6, and the front end could lose some of its razor blade sharpness. That way, GM could save a bit of space and move the transmission a tad forward, easily shortening the car. Luckily, this did not happen.

    All close competitors - the Acura NSX, Audi R8, Ferrari F8 Tributo, Lamborghini Huracan EVO, McLaren 570S, McLaren 720S, and Porsche Cayman - have considerably smaller engines in the back. Plus, none of them can match the inside comfort of the new C8 Corvette. That is a big deal!
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    But, don’t search for added inches in the front or the back overhangs. The Corvette does seem to be a proportional mid-engine sports car in that regard. The added inches hid between the wheels.
    At 107.2 inches, the Corvette C8 has considerably longer wheelbase compared to any similar vehicle.

    C8 182.2/76.1/48.6 107.2
    NSX 176/76/47.8 104
    R8 174.3/76.4/48.8 103.1
    Ferrari 181.5/77.9/47.5 104.3
    Lambo 175.6/75.7/45.9 103.1
    McLaren 178.3/75.4/47.3 105.1
    720S 179/76/47 105
    Boxster 172/70.9/51 97.4
    2020 CHEVY C8 CORVETTE WEIGHT COMPARISON

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    The only official number we have for the C8 Corvette’s weight is 3,366 pounds! I believe that this is the weight of the base version, and I know that this number does not include any fluids. Add a Z51 package (all of you will do it, I know it), fill all the fluids, and you are looking at 3,600+ lbs.

    That’s some 150 pounds more compared to the Corvette C7.

    In fact, the only car comparable car that has more weight is the freaking Honda NSX. And that because of its insane three-electric motor setup and a lot of batteries. If you remove that you would get far lighter NSX compared to the mid-engine Corvette.


    The reasons for such heft hide deep within the C8 Corvette’s structure. Instead of using massive carbon-fiber sheets, magnesium, and a smaller engine, GM engineers opted for as much aluminum as possible. Compared to almost all other cars on this list, GM integrated aluminum sheets to increase rigidness of the Corvette. For example, GM engineers formed that central enclosed tunnel between the driver and passenger seat out of aluminum. In the Audi R8, for example, that piece, along with the whole dash wall, is CFRP (Carbon fiber reinforced plastic). It is the same story with the Huracan.

    McLaren went an extra mile here and formed an entire carbon-fiber monocoque. Ferrari, however, kept the advanced aluminum spaceframe on the F8 Tributo. However, it managed to keep the weight down by adding carbon fiber touches, such as carbon fiber intake plenum, carbon fiber rear spoiler, and building a bit smaller supercar overall.

    Then, there’s the engine.
    The one in the Corvette is a massive, pushrod, naturally aspirated old-school beast.


    Even the naturally aspirated V-10 in the R8 and Huracan have are smaller by one liter in terms of displacement. Don’t even get me started with other engines with forced induction!

    So, the Corvette C8 isn’t as stiff, as light, nor does it have some fancy new propulsion toys as the cars noted here. It is a pure, raw machine that makes heavy use of the cheaper tech to go as fast as the newest cars available. The reason for its less than stellar structure is only one - the price. I can live with that.
    3,600+ pounds with liquids (3,366 pounds dry)
    3,803 pounds
    3,428 pounds
    2,932 pounds
    3,423 pounds (3,135 pounds dry)
    3,201 pounds (2,989 pounds dry)
    3,167 pounds (sub 2,980 pounds dry)
    2,944 pounds
    2020 CHEVY C8 CORVETTE PERFORMANCE COMPARISON

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    First, let’s get one thing straight! The only performance estimate we have about the new C8 Corvette revolves around its 0-60 mph time. According to GM, the mid-engine ’Vette, equipped with a Z51 package, can do 60 mph in less than 3 seconds. 2.9 seconds is believable.

    Let me tell you right away that the 0-60 mph time does not reveal jack **** about the performance. We need to know about the C8’s quarter-mile time, 60-80 and 80-100 mph acceleration, and, after all, a top speed, to be able to draw any real conclusion. The 2020 Chevy C8 Corvette Is Larger and Heavier Than Its Peers For Good Reason - image 850648
    To beat all the cars on this list, the C8 Corvette would have to be far quicker. I am talking about 0-60 mph in 2.5 seconds or something like that.


    After all, some did clock the Lambo Huracan at that speed. Plus, it would have to be able to get close to a seven-minute pass on the Nurburgring. We are yet to see what the new ’Vette can achieve. I do, however, believe, that the top-end versions of it - the ZR1, Z06, and even the fabled Zora - could match the ferocity of the best Italian supercars. We have to wait for them, however!

    All in all, I will estimate the 2020 C8 Corvette’s performance here and compare it with the performance of its physically closest competitors.
    C8 190+ mph (est) 2.95 s (est)
    NSX 191 mph 3 s
    R8 205 mph 3.1 s
    488 211 mph 2.8 s
    Huracan 202 mph 2.8 s
    570S 204 mph 3 s (est)
    720S 212 mph 2.8 s
    Boxster 171 mph 5.1 s
    2020 CHEVY C8 CORVETTE PRICING VS. OTHER MID-ENGINE OFFERINGS

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    I will say it - the 2020 Chevy C8 Corvette is the biggest surprise on the car scene I have ever seen. This comes from a guy who lives in a time when Volkswagen invented DSG, Toyota popularized hybrids, and McLaren became the craziest thing out there. I say this for just one reason - the C8 Corvette’s sub $60,000 base price. That is incredible, to say the least. In an instant, the significance of all other cars listed here somewhat perish.
    I mean, the cheapest car here - the 718 - that sells for less than $60,000, comes only with a puny 2.0-liter, turbocharged, four-cylinder engine.


    That one cannot hold a candle to the Corvette’s V8. On the other hand, for the $252,800 price of the F8 Tributo, you can have four units of the mid-engine C8 Corvette. I know that the Ferrari F8 Tributo is cooler, quicker, smarter, and everything, but four mid-engine Corvettes that go like stink is better than one Tributo (who does share its bones with a ten-year-old car) in my book.
    C8 $59,995 (est)
    NSX $157,500
    R8 $169,900
    Ferrari $252,800
    Huracan $261,274
    570S $192,500
    720S $293,000
    Boxster $56,600

    [Parts of article were redacted and other parts did not copy]

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    Last edited by SheepDog; 07-31-2019, 11:26 AM.

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    Porsche 911 = 3.5 seconds to 60 MPH for the new 2020 911 S (443 HP; 393 TQ) model, which BTW starts @ $113,000. Porsche just announced today the base 911 which has less power than the S, just 379 HP and, perhaps 0-60 in 3.7 seconds, starting at $98,750 for the coupe.

    ThanksSheepDog for the article. Why did the author leave out the 2020 Porsche 911 or the 911 S in their comparison article?
    Last edited by John; 07-31-2019, 12:00 PM.
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    • #3
      How many Boxter buyers will pound their forehead and say......I COULD’VE HAD A V8!
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      • #4
        Link to the original article?
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        • #5
          The Boxster feels too smallish for my pleasure. I'm 6'2" + . The Boxster is a Miata, Toyota F86 alternative. But the GT4 has some performance at excessive cost. Like a 400+HP F86.

          The C8 Stingray is a big league car.

          The back-to-back comparison testing is broadly anticipated. Must wait for the early C8 cars to clear the regular production line and become available to journalist testers. February 2020???

          There are lots of junctures ahead.

          The ultimate test is the daily pleasure/usage experience of the owners.

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          • #6
            As far as the weight goes, GM did an excellent job of keeping it at reasonable levels, but you can do only so much without building your car from some crazy expensive unobtanium. At about 3,600 pounds (ready for a drive), the Corvette C8 isn’t the lightest, but no one should care about that at a $60k starting price.
            I always thought that a pure neutronium frame would be nice... I guess that's still a few years off in the future.
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            '20 Elkhart Lake Blue 2LT Coupe, Natural Interior, GT2 Two-Tone Seats, Performance Exhaust, Front Lift, Carbon Flash Wheels, Engine Appearance Package 2000 Status December 27, 2019; 3000 Status January 2, 2020; 3400 Status March 10, 2020;TPW March 16, 2020; Built June 4th, 2020 (COVID-19); Delivery July 1, 2020

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            • #7
              Just curious if anyone knows how the C8's length compares to the C7?. My C7 fits with about 10" to spare. I'd hate to bring the C8 home and find she doesn't fit in the garage...

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              • #8
                Roughly 5.5 inches longer than the C7.
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                • #9
                  The wheelbase is only 1/2" longer!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by AirdaleC7 View Post
                    Just curious if anyone knows how the C8's length compares to the C7?. My C7 fits with about 10" to spare. I'd hate to bring the C8 home and find she doesn't fit in the garage...
                    As a couple of members have noted, they have mounted two axis lasers in their garage to insure perfect parking every time. I think your garage might qualify for one if you do not already have one. Anyone can please post us a link to get one please for the many for whom garage width and length could be an issue.
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                    • #11
                      Laser Parking Guides

                      https://www.google.com/search?q=lase...hrome&ie=UTF-8
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by John View Post
                        Why did the author leave out the 2020 Porsche 911 or the 911 S in their comparison article?
                        They aren’t mid-engine, the engine still sits mostly behind the rear axle. There are other flaws in the article but I see no sense pointing them out. I will point out one, numbers on paper mean nothing, drive each one and THEN form an opinion.

                        Sorry, can’t help myself, 981 and 718 0 - 60 times range from 3.7 to 4.9 depending on version and transmission.
                        Last edited by mjw930; 08-02-2019, 10:18 PM.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Meldoon View Post
                          How many Boxter buyers will pound their forehead and say......I COULD’VE HAD A V8!
                          Actually very few...... but I admit, this car will steal some Porsche sales, no doubt.
                          Mark

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                          • #14
                            According to Mike Furman, he has more than a few Porsche owners, two McLaren owners, two Aston Martin owners, one Maserati owner, two Ferrari owners, one Lambo owner, two Lotus owners on his list — and as he shared, “I do not ask, that is only customer volunteered information.” Many of those volunteered that they would be getting the C8 as their daily driver, one saying “grocery getter.”

                            Is this a percentage-wise a small drop in the bucket of the owners of those exotics who will buy a Corvette? Absolutely. But still some. My only personal experience I met three 911 owners (they were either new or nearly new, with one saying this was his 7th one, another his 5th, and the third his 4th one), and all three said that the C8 was the only Corvette they had ever considered. As we talked further, I got the sense that they were very seriously interested in the C8. I asked them why and all three said, “because Porsche pricing is out of control,” that was before the new 911’s $7,000 price increased was announced.

                            However, all this is discussion, and only two years from now will we have a sense as to whether GM truly did a lot of brand conquesting with the C8.
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                            • #15
                              If (1) The C8 dances like Fred Astair. And;
                              If (2) The Z06 [whatever you call it ] has a European style supercar engine.

                              Then the ME Corvette will gain full acceptance in the "club". That means more than simple conquest. I think that Corvette intends to conquer the sub 500K$ supercar world. With, price, performance and value. A lot of those young Corvette test drivers and engineers are Nerds, in a nice way.

                              C8 Stingray is merely the "Boxster/Cayman". More to come.

                              We will soon see.
                              Last edited by SheepDog; 08-02-2019, 11:05 PM.

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