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    ME Having “Start/Stop” Or Not, And If So???

    More than a few ME prospective buyers have posted that if the ME comes with start/stop tech that is not defeat-able (as more than a few 2018 GM products are), that would be a deal breaker, e.g., no ME for them.

    Looks as if GM is listening to its customers, many of whom who have been rebelling against it, for unlike the 2018 Cruze, the 2019 Cruze will now have a defeat-able start/stop, via a nice simple button on its dash. What is unknown yet, is whether this is a one-time-forever push, or whether one would need to do it each time the car is re-started.

    Of course, this does not answer whether the 2020 ME would have start/stop at all. Tadge said a couple of years ago, that he actively opposes it. We shall see if he gets his way with GM corporate, but it is looking like it will be able to be easily shut off even if it were to come with it.

    Source of 2019 Cruze start/stop info: http://gmauthority.com/blog/2018/07/...-start-system/
    Last edited by John; 07-30-2018, 08:16 PM.
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  • #2
    Please, Tadge, please, don't put auto stop/start in the ME.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by OnPoint View Post
      Please, Tadge, please, don't put auto stop/start in the ME.
      I would second that...auto start/stop is one of the most worthless features (not to mention the most irritating) to come along in decades! That's even before a discussion of how hard it is on various components.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by George View Post

        I would second that...auto start/stop is one of the most worthless features (not to mention the most irritating) to come along in decades! That's even before a discussion of how hard it is on various components.
        There are some things better left off low volume sports cars. And this is definitely one of them. In fact it's at the top of my list of things the ME or any Corvette should never have.

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        • #5
          Please DON'T put cylinder shut off or start/stop in the ME. I have several cars now with that feature and I have to push the button every time the cars are started. If it is incorporated it should be a throw switch that is either turned on or when in the off position it NEVER ACTIVATES.
          Rocket City Florida

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          • #6
            Cylinder shut-off is, I think, pretty much a given. It's a key part of the Corvette's ability to meet even current fuel economy standards. Start / Stop, I think, will depend a lot on what the current administration does with mpg standards. If the future standards remain as currently specified, I think start/stop will be necessary to meet them. If, as "threatened," those standards are reduced, start/stop may not be necessary.
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            • #7
              I would gladly pay a gas guzzler penalty to not have auto engine start/stop.

              GM - you listening? I'm willing to pay extra to keep that ridiculous device off my ME.
              Last edited by OnPoint; 08-03-2018, 11:07 AM.

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              • #8
                Recent executive action by the current administration to delay future mileage requirements may help prevent Start/Stop in the C8 but if I was a betting man I would say there is at least a 50/50 chance it will be installed. Hopefully it will be as easy to defeat in the C8 as it is in my 5 series BMW. I had it coded to permanently turn it off unless I turn it on. The only time it is activated automatically when the car is in ECO mode.
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                • #9
                  Stop start is terribly annoying to many myself included while some people don’t mind it at all.

                  having a switch to turn off stop start is a must have in the corvette if they even offer it...

                  really not a demand feature as the extra 10 percent fuel efficiency is not really a corvette consumers priority..

                  i have this stop start in my wifes alfa Romeo I just picked up for her two months ago...when I get in to drive this thing...,which I love..,the first thing I do after the first shut down at a light...is deactivate that feature..

                  fwiw...my wife says she like she the feature and leaves it on whenshe drives,,

                  i cant imagine over time that feature doesn’t cause premature wear on some parts...plus start up is not as instantaneous as many believe.,,when you want to hot dog it off the line.l.there is often a second or so delay...

                  screw the 10 percent improvement in fuel efficiency...

                  dump that idiotic feature,

                  jmo

                  btw if gm even offers stop start technology on the corvette there’s is no question in my mind it will be defeatable,

                  would be nice if we could program it out forever on the D.I.C.

                  btw the skip shift 1 to 4 th fear never bothered me as I never shifted out of first at or below 19 or 21 mph.....but stop start would need to be turned off or yes it would be a deal killer...

                  but every manufacturer these days for the most most part makes it defeatable because many consumers hate it..

                  or at least most enthusiasts do...

                  i still cant believe the stop start feature doesn’t add tremendous where to the vehicle...
                  Last edited by JB; 08-03-2018, 06:05 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Where is this 10% fuel economy improvement idea coming from? I would have to have a VERY qualified automotive engineer convince me in detail how that feature could create anywhere near 10%. I would believe maybe 1 or 2%, which would be quickly offset by wear on other parts.
                    '64 Silver Grey Coupe (custom paint)- still our favorite
                    '77 Black L82 / 4SPD
                    '78 Silver Anniversary L82 / 4SPD
                    '13 White/Blue Diamond 427 60th roadster - favorite late model
                    '14 Black Z51 Coupe
                    '15 Shark Grey Z51 Coupe
                    '20 ... Zeus Bronze Coupe, 2LT, GT2 seats, Natural two tone, Body color accents, Pewter wheels - Delivered 10/1/20😀

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                    • #11
                      When I get into my vehicles (every one is a manual trans), I put the clutch in, foot on the brake, hit the start button, and then flip off the emergency brake switch, all in about 2 seconds (muscle memory). If I were to need to add one second to also hit a button on the dash to disable the stop/stop switch, I am not going to stress over that.

                      Life it too short, too much fun to stress over little ****. I am truly surprised that I am reading elsewhere that “I am not buying a ME if it has a once-per-trip need to hit/turn off the start/stop button.”

                      We each get to choose. While I too strongly do NOT want a start-stop switch and believe Tadge that he will do everything he can to prevent it on the next gen Corvette, if he loses that battle, I am not walking away from the below car for $75K because of an additional 1 second to push the start/stop switch.

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                      Last edited by John; 08-03-2018, 11:59 AM.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by George View Post
                        Where is this 10% fuel economy improvement idea coming from? I would have to have a VERY qualified automotive engineer convince me in detail how that feature could create anywhere near 10%. I would believe maybe 1 or 2%, which would be quickly offset by wear on other parts.
                        That is the real world report on the value to fuel efficiency ....

                        from being standard.

                        would be interesting if it were a free option how many corvette buyers would opt for this stupid feature...lol

                        its not a deal killer but it isn’t annoying ..

                        i think its also on the porsche 911...

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                        • #13
                          The first summer I had my Stingray, there were some rumors that stop / start was coming to the C7, so I did an experiment. My commute was not particularly stop and go traffic, except for one traffic light that often took a couple of cycles to get through. About 25 miles, maybe 8 traffic lights.

                          I drove one week normally and tracked mpg, then the following week I shut off the car at every traffic light. I got 2 mpg better shutting off the engine. In real stop and go urban traffic, and with a more sophisticated stop/start system, I expect the improvement would be even greater. My C7 seems to suck gasoline at idle, based on watching what happens to average MPG while I'm sitting at a light.
                          SunKissed, my 2015 2LT, 7MT, Black over Daytona Sunrise Orange Metallic, Stingray convertible (One of about 40)

                          Purchased 5/2/2015,
                          >36,000 miles

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