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Corvette Today Podcast: Corvette News/Headlines

With the reveal of the new mid-engine C8 Z06 next week, this CORVETTE TODAY News & Headlines episode is a “must listen-to” podcast! https://podcasts.adorilabs.com/corve...OSfY9cINY1UxSw Your CORVETTE TODAY host, Steve Garrett, teams up again with Keith Cornett from CorvetteBlogger.com to bring you the hottest headlines in the world of Corvette…including the latest on the C8 Z06 reveal on October 26th! Here are a few of the topics covered in this podcast:

1. The C8 Z06 will make public debut at the Petersen Automotive Museum on October 26
2. GM makes a change to 2022 Corvette ordered with Z51 and the high wing
3. C8 Corvette ranked 2nd on the list of the fastest selling cars in September 2021
4. C8 E-Rays are testing in Colorado and outside the Nurburgring in Germany
5. A 95 year old WWII veteran is moved to the head of the line to get his 2022 Corvette
6. Mazzanti to build a Corvette-powered Italian supercar with 761 horsepower
7. A truckload of C8’s goes up in flames
8. Watch a video of BGA building right-hand drive C8 Corvettes


You’ll know everything we know when you listen to this CORVETTE TODAY podcast!


Listen here: https://adori.page.link/corvette-today
Watch CORVETTE TODAY on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXC...lOPPQ/featured
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Re-Living Early C8 Predictions, Spy Pictures and Renderings

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  • Re-Living Early C8 Predictions, Spy Pictures and Renderings

    As we wait and wait and wait some more for the C8’s reveal, thankful for great renderings we have seen this last year, and for the limited information we have found out, how about a re-visit down what was happening in the initial steps of the C8’s reveal predictions and renderings from about four years ago.

    Notice how optimistic some of the predictions were about its reveal. Many other ME articles from just two years ago (not included in this thread) said the C8 would appear at a 2018 at NAIAS, then when that failed, more forceful predictions that “its is confirmed that the C8 will be revealed at the 2019 NAIAS” posts and articles were forthcoming.

    However, the nice news is that we are getting closer and closer. So to pass the time, here’s a look back at some of was the thinking and the renderings about the C8 and its components, as seen from the 2014/2015 time frame...

    1) Starting with Car and Driver’s September 25, 2014 article:

    [Quote =Car And Driver]C8 Chevrolet Corvette Exclusive! What to Expect from the Heart-Stopping, Mid-Engined Zora!

    We have serious dirt on GM's secret mid-engined supercar!

    By Don Sherman

    GM’s head of global product development, Mark Reuss, confirms that the company is working on the next Corvette. Our sources elaborate on this salient piece of information, telling us that, after 61 years of evolution, the C8 will be revolutionary. The new Corvette will be the mid-engined American Dream Machine that Chevy couldn’t, until now, muster the courage to build. In truth, the factory is still not prepared to detail what’s coming, which is why you’re looking at the 2017 model year through our freshly waxed crystal ball.

    Why mid-engine? Because the C7 Corvette, especially the Z06 edition, is tapped out. Adding more power to a front-engine design only accelerates the conversion of rubber into smoke at the rear. Moving the engine’s mass closer to the drive tires is the most effective means of improving Corvette acceleration and braking.

    The second reason is less engineering-driven: Chevy wants to finally move the Corvette past the basic proportions and form language it has used since the C3. Today’s Stingray is a dream car for men on the wrong side of 50. But by updating the exterior with a radical remix of its visual masses, the Corvette could sweep the odd Aventador, LaFerrari, P1, and 918 posters off adolescents’ bedroom walls. As Chevy well knows, kids grow up quickly, and the fortunate ones convert their salaries to sports cars. Read on for how the C8 will take shape.

    The Plan

    The C8 flagship, the Zora ZR1, will debut the new mid-engine architecture. Launching as a 2017 model, it will define the top of the Corvette hierarchy just as its precursors did in the 1990–1995 C4 generation and 2009–2013 C6 model years. As before, the ZR1 will be low volume, roughly 1500 units per annum, and high priced. We figure around $150,000. It’ll be a stand-alone special that will peacefully coexist in Chevy showrooms with C7 models for a few years. The new platform, with appropriate bodywork and cockpit changes, could also support a revived Cadillac XLR (with *better sales success than the last one, we hope). By 2020, we expect the C7 to take its rightful place in the National Corvette/Sinkhole Museum and that all future models—yes, even the base Corvette—will shift to the mid-engine platform.

    The Engines

    Those who fear the demise of GM’s immortal small-block can relax because V-8s will surely propel the eighth-gen car. Using a single cam in the block plus pushrods offers weight, bulk, and cost incentives too valuable to squander. And the direct-injection, modular-displacement (cylinder shutdown), and variable-cam-timing technologies implemented for the C7 give this engine another lease on life. While it’s premature to quote displacement, power, and aspiration details, we expect the C8 to soundly beat today’s Stingray Z51’s acceleration (zero to 60 in 3.9 seconds), its 181-mph top speed, and its fuel-economy bogies.

    Small-block V-8s will remain the engine of choice—at least for the near future. And, beginning with the Zora ZR1, they'll nestle just in front of the rear axle.

    Alternative power sources are planned to keep the Corvette viable when regulations clamp down more aggressively on fuel consumption. Potent V-6s with and without boost are inevitable. Moving the engine behind the cockpit clears space for an electric motor to drive the front wheels; by 2020, a four-wheel-drive Corvette hybrid is a distinct possibility.

    The Packaging

    Porsche’s Boxster and Cayman are worthy case studies for the next Corvette because they’ve astutely answered knotty questions, such as “How do you construct a mid-engined roadster?” and “What about trunk space?”

    Lacking million-dollar computer-drafting tools, we instead conducted our packaging study in 1/24 scale with help from Sam Haase, a crack model builder from Belleville, Michigan. The small-block V-8 he pirated from a Corvette kit didn’t quite fit the hole intended for the Boxster S’s 3.4-liter flat-six (full-scale measurements reveal that the V-8 is 3.5 inches longer, 2.3 inches taller, but 6.0 inches narrower than the Porsche flat-six). This necessitated a 4.0-inch scale wheelbase increase, yielding a C8/Porsche mock-up about the same length as today’s Corvette but with a 5.3-inch shorter wheelbase.

    The radiator required to cool the Corvette’s larger engine would diminish the size of the Porsches’ five-cubic-foot front trunk—assuming said radiator is located in the nose. A viable alternative is to position all heat exchangers, including those for the engine, transaxle, and air conditioning, at the sides of the car between the door openings and the rear wheels, Ferrari Testarossa–style. A benefit of this arrangement would be shorter plumbing runs, but the C8’s aerodynamic engineers would have their work cut out coaxing enough airflow through such radiators.

    A Corvette-sized muffler would fight for the space occupied by the Boxster’s five-cubic-foot rear trunk. This will surely disappoint golfers who drive their C7s to the links with more than one set of clubs in their 10-to-15-cubic-foot cargo holds. The new Zora ZR1 will be for those who enjoy long drives without using clubs.

    Another packaging issue is the fuel-tank location. Porsche stuck with its historic ahead-of-the-cockpit spot for balance, but we imagine GM is more likely to tuck the C8’s gas tank in a center tunnel where it could share space with coolant plumbing.

    A seven-speed dual-clutch automatic likely will be the only available transaxle for the next Corvette.

    The Transaxles

    This is the trickiest part of the C8 engineering equation, because the choices available and the execution costs related to transaxle design are daunting. Will a conventional manual transmission survive? Would a paddle-shifted dual-clutch automatic appeal to traditional Corvette enthusiasts? Can any torque-converter/planetary-gear automatic provide the rapid reflexes a modern sports car deserves?

    Our snooping suggests that the Corvette engineering group will develop just one transaxle for the initial phase of the C8 program, and that a dual-clutch automatic will be its choice. Given the years it took GM to develop Hydra-Matic six- and eight-speed automatics, appointing an outside supplier to design and manufacture the Zora’s transaxle makes the most sense. There are at least six specialists up to that task. We’re betting that Oerlikon Graziano—a proven supplier to Aston Martin, Lamborghini, and McLaren—will supply the C8’s seven-speed dual-clutch transaxle. After the inevitable weeping over the demise of the manual, life in Bloomington will continue. Mourners will probably be in the minority anyway—65 percent of new Stingrays are delivered with automatics.

    The C8s structure will build on GM's expertise in aluminum.

    The Structure

    Today’s aluminum space frame will need a heavy massage to provide the C8 with strong, stiff bones. But it’s doable: The robotic frame fabrication GM tooled up for the C7 can be expanded and reprogrammed to serve the coming car. Also, GM has recently developed advanced processes for magnesium casting and sheet forming that could be useful for the Corvette’s structure and help drop the C8’s curb weight below today’s 3450 pounds.

    The Chassis

    Expect the current control-arm suspensions, composite leaf springs, adjustable magnetic dampers, and Brembo brakes to carry on with appropriate revisions. Shifting weight rearward to improve acceleration and braking will necessitate new wheel and tire sizes. Expect Michelin to continue as the tire supplier.

    The Cockpit

    Since the engine no longer impedes the driver’s view ahead, a lower seating position is practical. A much shorter hood would also improve forward sightlines. This is the designer’s delicate balancing act, because rear visibility will be hampered by the new engine location.

    We’d also love to see a larger touch screen in the center dash to take over additional secondary-control functions. This would be an ideal opportunity to switch from the common landscape *format to a portrait-mode (taller, narrower) screen, à la Tesla Model S. As long as round knobs for basic entertainment and HVAC functions remain, we’ll be happy. The absence of a traditional gear-stirring stick means that new space will be available for a smartphone dock, storage bins, and the requisite cup holders.

    We’re hoping that the lessons learned from today’s GT and Competition Sport seats help the Corvette team home in on one improved bucket suitable for both soft- and hard-core users.

    The Body

    Doors are the next logical candidate for conversion from sheet-molded fiberglass to lighter, stiffer, crash-resistant carbon-composite assemblies. Current Corvette supplier Plasan Carbon Composites manufactures carbon-fiber panels for both the Corvette and the Viper, and this firm has the interest and ability to supply additional parts using its advanced pressure-press processes.[/Quote]

    https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...-zora-feature/


    2)Then another C&D article on January 8, 2015:

    Originally posted by Car And Driver
    EXCLUSIVE PROOF: The Mid-Engined Chevrolet Corvette Is Happening! – Future Cars


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    Thanks/credit to Chris Doane Automotive!

    Behold, mid-engine Corvette fans: The car you’ve waited patiently for Chevrolet to build has finally evolved beyond titillating concepts to the engineering mule revealed here. An 82-second strike by our recon op resulted in 15 frames before security narcs dropped the curtain on this black test car—with its two occupants still inside.

    Don’t fret over the pointy-pickup camouflage; more attractive attire will follow. Instead take solace in a cabin hugging the front axle, ample space between the cockpit and the rear wheels for the hot parts, and this Corvette’s crouched and ready attitude.

    The nose clip is from Holden's Commodore SSV (with even wider flares), while the cabin module, roof, and exterior mirrors are hand-me-downs from today’s Stingray. A Holden SSV ute’s sheetmetal wraps door to door around the heinie. The wing keeps the tail planted during high-speed runs and what could be more practical than the bumper-mounted 2-by-10 for shoving this test sled back to the garage when it breaks down? Other items of note: The fuel-filler located on the driver’s-side B-pillar and the cooling intakes located along the rocker panels.

    Scaling the span between the axles using the wheels as guides (we’re estimating them at 19 inches in diameter) yields a projected wheelbase of 98.9 inches, some eight inches shorter than that of today’s Corvette. That blueprint upgrade comes from bumping the transmission from ahead of to behind the rear axle as God and Dr. Porsche intended. A tighter wheelbase quickens steering response and cinches up the turning circle. It goes without saying that at least 60 percent of this probable Corvette ZR1’s mass will be supported by the rear wheels, enhancing launch traction and *****-out braking. There are rumblings that the engine bay may eventually play host to a small, 3.5- to 4.0-liter V-8 with all the fixin’s—meaning no pushrods.

    Thus far GM has issued no denials discrediting our most recent (and highly detailed) mid-engine Corvette forecasts. While there’s no fresh intel regarding launch timing, the fact that experimental hardware has left the laboratory suggests that the C8 Zora sports car is on schedule to roll into showrooms in about 20 months as a 2017 model, at which point it will be sold alongside the front-engined Corvette. Place your orders now or find yourself stuck at the back of a long delivery line.

    https://www.caranddriver.com/photos/...-news-gallery/


    3)Then came this CorvetteBlogger article on July 10, 2015; by Keith Cornett.

    [This was, BTW, the content I started my very first C8 thread with in 2015. Been a long journey for us, though a sixty year one for GM.

    Originally posted by CorvetteBlogger
    The Mid-Engined C8 Corvette Zora ZR1 Rendered

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    Would the artist that rendered this C8 Corvette Zora ZR1 please set forward! Because your render of the rumored mid-engine Corvette is one of the best we’ve seen yet. We found this posted on Facebook and seaching BUZZART has led us nowhere, at least when it comes to automotive designs, so if you’re out there, let us know!

    The rendered C8 Corvette is part of a trio of images, first showing the C7 Corvette Stingray and then evolving into what the next generation Corvette might look like in a mid-engine configuration.

    There has been talk of Corvette going to a mid-engine design since the 1960s. And while the rumors and concepts have come and gone, for whatever reason, it seems like now is the perfect time to make the jump from concept to production a reality.

    Our hope, should Chevrolet really decide to pull the trigger, is to see the Corvette line evolve into two platforms. The first and still the most popular (at least in terms of sales) would be the traditional front engine/rear wheel drive design that is for the everyman. A car that continues to kick German and Italian *** and yet remains an affordable daily driver. After all, in 62 years the Corvette team has gotten pretty good at delivering such a car and with sales of the C7 back over 30,000 cars/year for the last two years, there is no reason to end that run.

    The second platform is all about red meat. A mid-engine Corvette platform that allows the team to break free from the the ‘rules’ of traditional Corvette design and take bow-tie performance to the next level. Exotic materials, a different engine platform and the ability to take on all comers – from Europe to Dearborn – without excuses.


    Image Credit: BUZZART

    Our sources tell us the mid-engine Corvette is a go and the external telegraphing that a corporate entity the size of General Motors can’t help but signal that something wicked is coming our way. After all, spending $439 million on a new Corvette Paint shop that expands the size of that Bowling Green Assembly plant by 50% when the C7 factory build out which included the Performance Build Center only cost only $132 million is a pretty big signal that something else is afoot in Kentucky.

    The word on the street is that this new Corvette will arrive in the next couple of years – just as the Assembly Plant completes its build-out. So as we sit here and dream about what the future holds, perhaps these designs will eventually point the way to a future Corvette.
    http://www.corvetteblogger.com/2015/...-zr1-rendered/

    If you wish to see the part of the above-referenced sixty year GM history of nine Corvette prototypes:

    https://www.midenginecorvetteforum.c...-to-production







    Last edited by John; 03-17-2019, 12:43 PM.
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    Wow! Thanks for sharing that John. That BuzzArt rendering looks amazing!

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    • #3
      Concerning the # 1 article above, now 4 1/2 years old, lots of Don Sherman’s predictions will become true.

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      • #4
        The BuzzArt Render: The low point of the passenger side window is at the same height from the ground as is the top (high point) of the front and rear tires. That feature gives the appearance of a low waist line. Make it look light and agile. Driver's car. Some of the Lambos have that feature.

        C8 Prototypes: The low point of the passenger side window appears to be several inches higher than the top of the tires.


        The BuzzArt pic, at #1 above, takes the window deeper, even-deeper than this Lambo




        The BuzzArt pic takes the window deeper than this 488 Pista. The angle makes it difficult to accurately compare.





        The below C8 render takes the window line low, low waistline. Maybe by FRS. LOVE IT.

        THE GREEN BEAUTY ABOVE IS SO SO SWEET

        The BuzzArt render is really great. But mean green is my personal Queen for the low waistline Crown.
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        • #5
          That is good analysis. However, as shown in this picture, some believe that is shows fake camo the inch or two above the bottom edge of window’s real intersection with the door window felt, so we might well be seeing a lower beltline at the reveal. Could be better looking than we are now used to.

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          GBA Black; HTO Twilight/Tension interior; Z51 & Mag Ride; E60 lift; 5VM visible carbon fiber package; 5ZZ high wing; FA5 interior vis CF; ZZ3 engine appearance; 3LT; Q8T Spectra Gray Tridents; J6N Edge Red Calipers; SNG Edge Red Hashmarks; VQK Splash Guards; RCC Edge Red engine cover; VJR illuminated sill plates. Lifetime, annual contributors, and 23 year members of National Corvette Museum. Home is the beautiful Pacific Northwest.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by John View Post
            That is good analysis. However, as shown in this picture, some believe that is shows fake camo the inch or two above the bottom edge of window’s real intersection with the door window felt, so we might well be seeing a lower beltline at the reveal. Could be better looking than we are now used to.

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            I certainly want you to be 100% right on that estimate.

            Bothers me that The Camaro kinda looks like a tank in that aspect of design.

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              Originally posted by John View Post
              That is good analysis. However, as shown in this picture, some believe that is shows fake camo the inch or two above the bottom edge of window’s real intersection with the door window felt, so we might well be seeing a lower beltline at the reveal. Could be better looking than we are now used to.

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              You may be on to something as the shadow or break in camouflage (yellow line) connects to the body lines front and rear (orange lines). My lines are not perfect, but you get the idea.

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              • #8

                The Green Beauty render looks a bit like this C8R with the sid view mirror blocking a piece of view. Window on this C8R appears to go further down and little deeper. But then it a race car and not identical to the expected street cars.



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                • #9
                  Ok. I see what's-up with the deep waistline window look.. It is he look of money:
                  P1

                  The BuzzArt render is really the McLaren P1 with C7 accents


                  Look of royalty. That is what the BuzzArt render displayed. Deep cut window.


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