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  • Similar To ZORA’s System?

    Ford filed a patent for a combustion hybrid with electric motors driving the front wheels. Might this be very muck like the rumored type of powertrain system for the 1,000 HP, AWD, ZORA version of the mid engine Corvette?

    Originally posted by MotorAuthority
    Ford hybrid V-8 patent discovered, could power Mustang and/or F-150[/h] Sean Szymkowski; Jan 27, 2019

    Mystery Ford Mustang teaser

    We've known for two years that Ford has a Mustang hybrid planned, but a new patent gives us a glimpse at what could be the electrified pony's powertrain.

    The best news: eight cylinders are pictured, which indicates any Ford Mustang hybrid will keep a V-8 engine and only add electric motors for more power and torque. AutoGuide first discovered the patent image and reported the information on Friday, but Ford filed the patent in July 2017. It was only published to the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office site this week.


    Ford hybrid V-8 engine patent
    Ford hybrid V-8 engine patent

    The patent describes a "twin-motor drive system" for a hybrid vehicle. It does not explicitly claim this is for a Mustang hybrid, but the patent image does show a V-8 engine. It's possible such a setup could also serve the confirmed F-150 hybrid.

    The patent includes any longitudinally mounted engine paired with two electric motors—one for each of the front wheels. The patent says that one case would consist of an electric motor mounted on one side of the engine and coupled to a first gear reduction box to power one front wheel and an identical system for the other side of the engine and the second front wheel.

    The internal-combustion engine would, meanwhile, provide power to the rear wheels. This patented system would create the first all-wheel-drive Ford Mustang in history.

    The patent also follows what appeared to be a teaser for the Mustang hybrid last October. An ad that ushered in the new "Built Ford Proud" marketing campaign showed a futuristic-looking car with Mustang design elements and a glowing Mustang pony badge on the front. The engine depicted was also, clearly, a V-8. A Ford spokesperson at the time told Motor Authority the ad was a "glimpse of the future" and we'd learn more "at the right time."

    MA reached out to Ford for a comment on the newly unearthed patent and a spokesman Mike Levine said, "We submit patents on new inventions as a normal course of business but they aren’t necessarily an indication of new business or product plans."

    The automaker also previously said the Mustang hybrid would provide V-8 power and even more low-end torque. The statement left the hybrid powertrain open to interpretation with the possibility of a smaller engine and electrification to mimic V-8 power. It's become clear in the past year the Mustang will still hang onto its V-8 engine.

    Ford could resurrect the "Mach 1" name for the Mustang hybrid. The company floated the name for a Mustang-inspired electric SUV, then seemed to move away from that plan. Ford included an original Mustang Mach 1 in the October ad with the hybrid teaser. It may be coincidence, but Ford seems keen to involve the storied name with the future.

    The Mustang hybrid is due in 2020, and we expect to learn more about the car this year. Stay tuned.
    https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...g-and-or-f-150

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    It was interesting to try and read between the lines as to what the Ford spokesperson meant. Maybe the patent is purely a defensive one? Only later will be know whether Ford actually uses it in their Mustang or something else.

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    • #3
      Not sure about this patent, but it is basically the same approach as the NSX. My guess is this patent is specific to the type of power delivery method. This looks to be for a front engine application while of course the C8 is mid/rear, so I don't think it affects the famed "Zora"

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        Some NSX background info:

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        • #5
          The NSX is such a great seller ....(sarcasm)

          who would follow that path...

          better full electric ev ir a gas engine.

          i think the 3800 lb awd Nsx has been a huge flop...

          acura shoukd rip out all the ev portion of the NSX....and offer up a signifigant discount,

          call it a NSX GT3...

          consumers are running away from the efficient NSX for a reason.....

          they just dont like what the nsx is selling.
          Last edited by JB; 01-28-2019, 08:31 AM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by JB View Post
            The NSX is such a freat seller ....(sarcasm)

            who would follow that path...

            better full electric ev ir a gas engine.

            i think the 3800 lb awd Nsx has been a huge flop...

            acura shoukd rip out all the ev portion of the NSX....and offer up a signifigant discount,

            call it a NSX GT3...

            consumers are running away from the efficient NSX for a reason.....

            they just dont like what the nsx is selling.
            I believe they do offer that, however it’s more expensive and I think might be “off-road” only. I don’t think the NSX is a bad car just not well executed, and they should’ve price it about 25k lower. Launch killed much of the hype with how long it was drawn out

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            • #7
              You are right...the long launches dragging on and on...i do think the hybrid system is mismatched for the market segment.

              i find the irrational emotional desire to owning a rear mid engine sports car like the nsx is lost on this example...

              just no passionate desire to own one... i couldnt exactly tell you why but i just dont have the same burning desire for this vehicle..

              its a nice vehicle. With the 2019 styling updates losing the chrome grill beak is a vast improvement and easy to upgrade a 2017 model to such a spec...

              i just dont see consumers driven to own one of these...

              i think honda over engineered this thing and its left the space in the segment like the mclaren 570...

              im nit in love with the styling of the 570 a little but its a passonate desireable sports car about the same price...

              the acura lleaves me cold for some reason.

              im not alone as sales last year were like 170 units...maybe 570 units the year before..

              its an engineering marvel but a boat anchor in the showroom..

              rip out the hybrid technology and drop the price to 110 or 130 grand...and even the. the corvette will be the preferred option....but at least those looking at a 570 will consider it..

              sprry but honda over reached...

              either all electric or twin turbo v8 like the rear wheel drive c8 in grand sport or z06 trim would be the better choice...

              im sure if the zr1 top dog corvette has 860 gas powered hp and 150 hp electic motors it will sell at that time years down the road in s,all numbers to corvette faithful.

              the nsx has been gone so long it doesnt have the nsx faithful in the quantity needed to pull off the hybrid electric current example pricepoint and samtitized technology feel.

              jmo

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              • #8
                Agree JB, the NSX is too "clinical" if that is a good descriptor. AND it took waaay to long to hit the street. I have a 91 and it's just a joy to drive. I had it out this past weekend and remembered how much fun it is. The new car leaves me cold. Of course I'm old school and don't really care about EV drive trains all that much. I do find the proposed 48V system interesting however.

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                • #9
                  Good analaysis. Thanks bobbytinvab. Very similar to what Fasttoys earlier noted, that while the new NSX is technically proficient, driving it was boring.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Racer X View Post
                    Not sure about this patent, but it is basically the same approach as the NSX. My guess is this patent is specific to the type of power delivery method.
                    Those were my thoughts as well. This must be a utility patent which IMO is pretty specific and really doesn't offer that much protection. I'm an engineer, not a patent attorney, but I think with a utility patent someone can come along and change an aspect of the design - the electric motor controllerfor example - yet still have the same design and have their own "unique" design. If there are any Legal Eagles out there, I'd love your opinion.
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