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  • Plasboy
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    Might be cake, might be regurgitated cake. Who knows.

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  • John
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    If I start a new YouTube channel and I say the Mustang is being cancelled, might that get tons of folks to open up my new channel (from which I will gain revenues).

    If I were to say the ME won’t show up for at least one more model year, might someone jump the C8 ship, give up on it and buy a C7 right now.

    What if instead the C8 is revealed is the spring, delivered to customers this fall?
    Last edited by John; 12-16-2018, 07:24 PM.

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  • Plasboy
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    Well I see Rick ***** is now saying he thinks the C8 will be a 2021 model.

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  • ABorC
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    Originally posted by John View Post
    Has anyone seem the original, internal GM testing/development, including within it, the initial customer delivery schedule for the 2020 Corvette? Has it chanced? IF someone has it and would share it with us all, that would be proof to me that would actually determine if there has been a delay.

    It was in the 1960’s that we first learned that GM is working on the mid engine Corvette.

    With all its five-decades time in development, I am betting it will be a killer design, have solved the traditional mid engine shortcomings of it competitors, and be announced at a price that will knock our socks off. Of yes, for that is exactly what will be happening this spring some time.
    Yeah, what John said

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  • John
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    Has anyone seem the original, internal GM testing/development, including within it, the initial customer delivery schedule for the 2020 Corvette? Has it changed? IF someone has it and would share it with us all, that would be proof to me that would actually determine if there has been a delay.

    It was in the 1960’s that we first learned that GM is working on the mid engine Corvette.

    With all its five-decades time in development, I am betting it will be a killer design, have solved the traditional mid engine shortcomings of it competitors, and be announced at a price that will knock our socks off. Of yes, for that is exactly what will be happening this spring some time.
    Last edited by John; 12-16-2018, 11:11 AM.

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  • ABorC
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    I'm still not convinced of any supposed delay. 1 sketchy news source prints a rumor, more sketchy sources quote it, and then Super Mario claims he knew all along....

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  • SheepDog
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    Another thing in the mix. Big companies are still sort of family. Would it not be insensitive for one , say, child to celebrate a special conception when a sibling is mourning a miscarriage. Or for one kid to celebrate acquisition of a new car when a sibling is pulling out of college for lack of funds. Now. Right now. Through January/Feb. Might just be a good time to make a great electrical system even better. To make it perfect. While waiting for the rain to "melt" and the snow to "dry".
    Last edited by SheepDog; 12-15-2018, 04:12 PM.

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  • SheepDog
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    A single C8 will probably get more milage on the odometer measured by time ( say per year) than the total and combined milage on on a 488, a 720, an NXS, R8, etc. over the same time period. The C8 will be tested by the consumer. It must truly be ready.

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  • John
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  • SheepDog
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    The Corvette is reaching the bright side. Once a flawless, reliable and exciting product is released, then how-long-the-wait will be seen as a corner-stone of quality. But. Premature release of an exciting and highly anticipated product that has even a single flaw or reliability issue will be seen as an organizational character failure. They just have to do the right thing or never hear the last of it. So for every one time I complain , I should three times praise. When there is a struggle to get it right.

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  • JB
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    Well gald i didnt go to the trouble of flying in to detroit for the show which i really wasnt going to do anyway...

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  • John
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    Thanks C8-wannabe. You shared the meat of that Hayne Payne article, and for those who wish, as it also discusses the C7.R not racing next year (at least at the beginning of it), here is the whole article.

    Originally posted by HenryPayne
    No mid-engine Corvette at Detroit auto show

    Henry Payne, The Detroit NewsPublished 11:55 p.m. ET Dec. 11, 2018 | Updated 12:20 a.m. ET Dec. 12, 2018
    (Photo: Car and Driver)
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    It is the auto industry’s white whale: the elusive, powerful, long-rumored mid-engine Corvette C8. Chevrolet refuses to acknowledge its existence despite numerous sightings at General Motors' Milford Proving Grounds and race tracks like Wisconsin’s Elkhart Lake and Germany’s legendary Nürburgring.

    Whale-trackers were sure it would breach the surface at this year’s Detroit auto show where previous Corvettes have debuted.

    But they will have to wait a little longer. A Chevy spokesman confirmed the brand will not be revealing any new vehicles at the January show. The current-generation Corvette C7 was introduced at the Detroit show in 2013, with the C7.R race car breaking cover a year later.

    The new Corvette is not expected to be seen until sometime in the spring.

    Though hope of a Detroit sighting dimmed months ago, speculation stirred again last week with the posting of an internet video showing a race mule — barely disguised in zebra camouflage — night-testing at Sebring Raceway in Florida.

    With the 24 Hours of Daytona kicking off the IMSA WeatherTech Sportscar Challenge season at the end of January, don't expect to see the new Corvette there. A spokesman for Wixom race shop Pratt & Miller, which prepares Chevy’s Corvette racers, confirmed it will enter the same current-generation C7.R race car in this year's Daytona endurance race.

    International GT racing homologation rules require that 100 production cars be built in order to enter a race car. While the rules have been bent in the past for low-production models (the Ford GT, for example), the mass-produced Chevy traditionally has conformed to the standards: race car follows production car.

    “I don’t think we’ll see (the race car) this year due to the timing of the homologation rules,” says Ford Performance Engineer Mark Rushbrook, whose race arm fields one of Corvette’s chief competitors, the mid-engine Ford GT. “But we know they are working on it and we are looking forward to seeing them on track."

    The News reported in August 2016 that Chevy was developing the eighth-generation Corvette as a mid-engine car.

    In addition to spy shots of the mid-engine car testing in Milford, the project was consistent with GM's investment of nearly $800 million in upgrades to its Bowling Green facility where Corvettes are built. Production is expected to begin there in fall 2019.

    The iconic Chevy – dubbed America’s “affordable supercar” for performance rivaling $200,000 Porsches and Ferraris at half the price – has traditionally been a front-engine car. In order to make the next performance leap, however, program managers determined a mid-engine layout was necessary.

    Mid-engine cars have better balance and handling than their front-bay cousins. That handling is not only important on road, but is key to keeping Corvette competitive at the summit of international motorsport where it faces stiff competition from mid-engine Ford GT and Ferrari 488 supercars. Even Porsche's 911, Stuttgart’s rear-engine racing icon, has moved it engine amidships to keep pace.

    A mid-engine layout also opens options for Chevy to take advantage of new technology like locating an electric motor up front for all-wheel drive.

    Bob Lutz, GM’s former product chief — who received approval for a mid-engine Corvette in 2007 before it was sidelined by the Great Recession — speculated to The News in 2016 that the C8’s long lead time foreshadowed “electric motors at the front (that) would enable limited AWD capability.”

    Car and Driver magazine has reported that a hybrid, twin-turbo V-8 version of the Corvette C8 is planned that could generate 1,000 horsepower with all-wheel drive.

    The drivetrain changes are reported to include — in addition to a reliable, entry-level pushrod V-8 – a high-revving, Ferrari-like, flat-plane crankshaft V-8. The higher pitch of the camouflaged Corvette lighting up the Sebring night seems consistent with this option.

    The mid-engine car’s absence from this January's show has led to speculation that the project base been delayed.

    Hagerty magazine's Don Sherman, a veteran tracker of the mid-engine car’s development, said, “There may have been some issue that had to be resolved.”

    Like finding Moby ****, it’s hard to know all the details. Bringing an all-new sports car to market together with new engines and global race programs requires a lot of coordination.

    The white whale is getting closer.
    Henry Payne is auto critic for The Detroit News. Find him at [email protected] or Twitter @HenryEPayne. Catch “Car Radio with Henry Payne” from noon-2 p.m. Saturdays on 910 AM Superstation.

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  • C8-wannabe
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    If the reports are correct?

    "A spokesperson with the automaker confirmed the decision to Henry Payne of the Detroit News, and that the hotly-anticipated Corvette would most likely stay in the shadows until the spring."

    https://www.mlive.com/news/2018/12/c...auto-show.html

    https://www.detroitnews.com/story/op...ow/2274075002/

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  • Busa Dave
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    LOL John ---- Exactly! That is all you can hear!

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  • John
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    That is an interesting phrase (hear crickets), for with my windows open in mid/late August, the crickets are pretty darn loud. We had some city friends stay over at that time of the year and they commented at breakfast, ‘hard to sleep with all that cricket noise, so we closed our windows.”

    Besides that, I do agree with your comment that not a word will be heard at NAIAS.
    Last edited by John; 12-14-2018, 10:29 AM.

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