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  • POLL: Porsche’s +$8K Cost Effect on C8 Pricing

    The 2019 entry Porsche model (officially a “991”), has 370 HP, and costs $91,100. The 2019 Carrera S with 420 HP, starts at $105,100; the Carerra 4S, with 420HP, starts at $112,000.

    The next generation Porsche 911 model, the 2020, which will go on sale next fall (officially called a “992”) will increase in pricing about $8,000 per Forbes and Road and Track magazines.

    [Quote =Forbes]The 2020 Porsche 911 will arrive in showrooms soon. Prices will start at $113,300 for Carrera S, $120,600 for Carrera 4S, a jump of about $8,000 over the outgoing vehicle.[/Quote]

    Originally posted by RoadandTrack
    Porsche is only showing off the 992 in Carrera 4S guise now, but the rear-drive Carrera S should follow shortly; the base Carrera and Carrera 4 will arrive at a later date. Pricing for the 2020 911 Carrera S starts at $113,200 while the Carrera 4S is $120,600—representing an increase of over $8000 over the 991.
    However the pricing for the entry 2020 Porsche, the XX, has not been officially announced.

    As the primary competitor to the Corvette in the U.S., is the Porsche 911, will Porsche’s approximate $8,000 price increase for a model that even Porsche calls “evolutionary,” effect GM’s entry pricing for the revolutionary 2020 ME?

    Do you think that GM, having now seen Porsche’s +$ 8,000 approximate MSRP increase starting next year, will decide to increase their originally planned C8 MSRP pricing, and if so, by how much?

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonfo.../#343c66c715a5

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    GM is going to continue to price the 2020 C8’s MSRP as it had originally planned
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    GM will consequently increase the ME’s MSRP price by a small amount, e.g., around $2,000
    15.38%
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    GM will decide to recoup more of its ME development costs, raise the MSRP by $4,000
    3.85%
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    GM will significantly raise the MSRP on the 2020 ME, doing so by $6,000
    3.85%
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    GM will go “all in,” taking advantage of this golden opportunity, and go +$8,000 on MSRP
    3.85%
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    The reason I chose the $2,000 increase option is that GM is critically aware that if the entry price of the ME goes up too much from the current $56,590, there are going to be a fair amount of Corvette folks, many at or near retirement age when historically incomes drop significantly, who are going to say I will stick with my C7. At the same time, I think we will all be pleasantly surprised at the ME’s entry price (even if they kick it up $2,000).
    Last edited by John; 12-03-2018, 10:27 PM.
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    • #3
      I don't think that the final pricing of the C8 has been decided yet. I'm sure Harlan is still presenting various price/volume 'business models' to GM executive management.

      I still believe that, totally independent of what Porsche may do with pricing, the new ME C8 will sticker for somewhere in the $90 to $100K nicely equipped. I also believe that the updated C7 will continue to come down the assembly line at BG with base models around $60K. The reconfigured plant will easily handle both models.

      Beyond that, I don't think many people abandon the brand just because a nicely equipped ZR1 stickers for $140K!!!
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      • #4
        Originally posted by tooold2race View Post
        I don't think that the final pricing of the C8 has been decided yet. I'm sure Harlan is still presenting various price/volume 'business models' to GM executive management.

        I still believe that, totally independent of what Porsche may do with pricing, the new ME C8 will sticker for somewhere in the $90 to $100K nicely equipped. I also believe that the updated C7 will continue to come down the assembly line at BG with base models around $60K. The reconfigured plant will easily handle both models.

        Beyond that, I don't think many people abandon the brand just because a nicely equipped ZR1 stickers for $140K!!!
        I repeated your post, because it deserves re-emphasis. Well stated.
        Last edited by John; 12-03-2018, 10:59 PM.
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        • #5
          I'll just keep my fingers crossed that Chevrolet will sell the C8 at the original price planned . Never hurts to have wishful thinking ...
          A thought if I might ...

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          • #6
            I'm going to have to disagree with the premise of this question. In moving to the Niagara region I found a thriving car culture. There are 4 cruise nights every week in season, all within 15 minutes of my place. Loads of Corvettes show up. No Porsches. I don't agree that Corvette buyers are cross-shopping Porsche. Not on my area for sure. It's certainly never occurred to me.

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            • #7
              One factor that needs to be considered is what previous options on the 991.2 have been integrated as a standard feature as we discuss the 8k dollar price increase..

              it is possible previously optional tems like pdk was a 4 grand option on the 911s where the manual was standard and now the 911s only comes with pdk..as standard...

              creating a portion of the price increase as just an example.


              what corvette marketing does could be as simple as eliminating the 1lt interior on the c8 and just raising the base price by whatever the cost of the 2lt over the 1lt interior in 2019..

              the same for the dct in the c8...if gm was charging 2 grand for the A8 then since the c8 will launch with the standard or optional dct...the 2 grand it used to charge for the A8 will be baked into the standard pricing for the c8...

              option for option, feature for feature...im betting 5 grand differential on c7 z51 A8 npp to c8 z51 dct npp..

              porsche owners are starting to get annoyed with ridiculous pricing and moving to believe it or not mclaren 570s...in my opinion...

              the mclaren 570 is prettypopular these days

              the 570 is a hell of a car...

              the porsches great too but for not much more money than a nicely optioned porsche 911 derivative...the exotic looking 570 is quite tempting...

              around here very popular...

              i like it yet i prefer corvette pricing, durability and low cost low headache serving on corvettes as I daily them..

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              • #8
                Good thinking JB, for both the initial announcements and almost nothing I have yet found, have more than sketchy pricing details.
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                • #9
                  I'm basing my vote on the differential of the current C7 base Stingray and not the C8 ME ZORA as that is what Porsche is basing their upcharge on. With the current C7 base at $56,650.00 and my estimated base of the 80k - 90k for the C8 ME ZORA it should be a $6,000.00 up-charge. Knowing that Dave McClellan and Dave Hill are pegging the ME at 80k - 90k a 6k increase seems about right. The current 911 Carrera base price is $91,100.00 + $8,000.00 = $99,100.00. Under the critical 100k number.
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                  • #10
                    Porsche has announced that they will produce the Cayman with a 420 horsepower na flat 6 engine. The Cayman 718 midengined was a turbo flat 4 engine that was not a big seller. SOooo, Porsche will have a true 420 hp midengined car on the market soon, the Cayman GT-4. It will be faster than the na 911. Just a heads up about another true midengined car. Pricing not yet announced, but expect $100,000 or so, with options.
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                    • #11
                      This question is basically irrelevant! We have no price to compare with this maneuver by Porsche as we still, formally, do not have a car, other then the C7, to compare with it. The assumption of price of the impending ME would be a comparison of two unequal vehicles.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by JBsC6 View Post
                        One factor that needs to be considered is what previous options on the 991.2 have been integrated as a standard feature as we discuss the 8k dollar price increase..

                        it is possible previously optional tems like pdk was a 4 grand option on the 911s where the manual was standard and now the 911s only comes with pdk..as standard...

                        creating a portion of the price increase as just an example.


                        what corvette marketing does could be as simple as eliminating the 1lt interior on the c8 and just raising the base price by whatever the cost of the 2lt over the 1lt interior in 2019..

                        the same for the dct in the c8...if gm was charging 2 grand for the A8 then since the c8 will launch with the standard or optional dct...the 2 grand it used to charge for the A8 will be baked into the standard pricing for the c8...

                        option for option, feature for feature...im betting 5 grand differential on c7 z51 A8 npp to c8 z51 dct npp..

                        porsche owners are starting to get annoyed with ridiculous pricing and moving to believe it or not mclaren 570s...in my opinion...

                        the mclaren 570 is prettypopular these days

                        the 570 is a hell of a car...

                        the porsches great too but for not much more money than a nicely optioned porsche 911 derivative...the exotic looking 570 is quite tempting...

                        around here very popular...

                        i like it yet i prefer corvette pricing, durability and low cost low headache serving on corvettes as I daily them..
                        The tolerances that the 570 is built to are amazing. It is truly a very high tech car.
                        I agree with you that the attraction of the ME Corvette will be the low cost of ownership, plus the fun of having an aftermarket for owner mods.
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                        • #13
                          The mclaren 570 is sweet and I really dig the 570. Running through the mountains with a black 570 last year still brings smiles to my face.

                          I fully expect the c8 to be a more durable less expensive to maintain and purchase variation of the mclaren.

                          should be exciting...

                          im sure the new porsche 992 is awesome although that huge flip up rear spoiler is kind of weird looking when up...

                          it looks like the trunk popped open...

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                          • #14
                            While my favorite McLaren is the 570, I m not a lover of how a modern day McLaren looks, but as to how well it is made (inside and out), and as how stupendous a car it is, nothing is better IMO. If I had the money, I would get one and learn to love its “unusual appearance.” I have never seen better fit and finish, nor better leather and carbon fiber. At SEMA last year, I will be I spend six hours over three days talking to the owner of a 570. He owns one of the absolute top detailing shops in the country and said, as we both standing next to it, that it came from the factory with great paint, and then he personally spend 50 hours further improving it. Too bad this picture of that car does not do it justice.

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                            • #15
                              porsches 992 carerra with 442 hp pdk wieghs in at 180 lbs more than the previous generation and starts at 3400 and accelerates to 60 moh in 3.2 seconds.. 3500 for the 4s. 3700 for the heaviest 911 which i imagine is the targa top version.

                              the mclaren 570t is 3314 lbs with its carbon fiber chassis.

                              i think we will find the c8 targa weighs in somewhere between them. Performs in about the same area. Zero to sixty in 3.2 seconds etc.

                              3300 to 3700 lbs.

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