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Is This A C8 Hybrid Winter Testing?

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  • Is This A C8 Hybrid Winter Testing?

    Thanks to Autoblog for this picture. There are more on their site, but IMO this is the best, excellent one — showing us precisely what we are going to see.

    This question surfaced months earlier here on MECF, i.e., is that plug sticking out of the front fender/hood joint proof of a C8 hybrid being coming?

    Officially, we have heard from GM, that is merely a convenience access point for easily electrically charging the battery for our test regular C8’s. But is that 100% of the truth? That we will not know until later.

    Here is that picture; thanks Autoblog and thanks for your article below!

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    Originally posted by Autoblog
    Sometimes a set of spy photos drops onto our digital desks that leave us scratching our heads trying to figure out what we're looking at. This is not one of those times. What you're looking at above quite clearly looks like a plug-in hybrid Chevy Corvette. As you can see from the images in the gallery, there's a charging harness dangling out of an opening in the car's front trunk along with a big red electric kill switch.

    Now, even though we think we know what this car is, that doesn't mean we have all the salient details. For instance, beyond the fact that there's surely an internal combustion engine mounted in the middle and, assuming this is indeed a hybrid, at least one electric motor contributing thrust, we don't know what the gas engine's displacement may be or even how many cylinders that engine contains. The spy shooters who witnessed the car drive by say they thought it sounded like a V6, but that's not a lot to go on. Speculation on an electrified Corvette in the past has also included talk of all-wheel drive with an electric motor powering the front wheels and a traditional engine sending ponies to the rear.

    Back when the mid-engine C8 was first unveiled, GM President Mark Reuss suggested this latest Corvette worked into GM's "strategy of 0-0-0: zero emissions, zero crashes, zero congestion." Reading between those lines, we wouldn't be surprised if a plug-in 'Vette would be able to travel solely on electric power for short jaunts. But we'd also expect any electrification to contribute to the car's overall acceleration, considering the Corvette's role as GM's high-performance flagship.

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    GM has a policy that every one of their new vehicles must be extensively winter tested . They have their primary winter testing facility located about 565 miles NW of Toronto, so way north in Kapuskasing, Ontario. They truly lust for -40 nights to test such things as “cold start” capabilities.

    Many memorable earlier Corvette testing’s have been captured there, so as this one with C8 prototype and a ZR1 being tested in January, 2018.

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    • #3
      Never knew that! https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ge...1!4d-82.455917
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      • #4
        Well it looks like a common 120v extension cord.... if that's what they are using to charge the "motors" seems sort of retro...

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        • #5
          Originally posted by John View Post
          Officially, we have heard from GM, that is merely a convenience access point for easily electrically charging the battery for our test regular C8’s. But is that 100% of the truth? That we will not know until later.
          That explanation would have made sense before the reveal, but now that there are a couple of hundred non-camo'd C8s without "easily charging the battery" connectors and cut off switches, it's pretty hard to swallow that's what these camo'd cars are. They would have been less conspicuous without the camo.

          Originally posted by Racer X View Post
          Well it looks like a common 120v extension cord.... if that's what they are using to charge the "motors" seems sort of retro...
          There are better photos captured previously that make it look like something else:

          https://www.midenginecorvetteforum.c...e-near-milford

          And these photos certainly appear to have the LT2 V8, not the V6 Autoblog suggests, but it's certainly possible GM is testing multiple variants of a hybrid.

          https://www.midenginecorvetteforum.c...id-c8-corvette
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          • #6
            It looks like the size of two 4 gauge cables coming out of that connector. That's what would be needed to carry the high current DC voltage to charge the batteries.
            Just curious John, are you maybe procrastinating because you would want to see the testing in action ... which would mean 40 below temps!
            I'm not sure it you get that cold in the Pac NW -- just teasing!
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            • #7
              Good pic meyerweb, and here's Racer86's take on it.
              Originally posted by Racer86 View Post
              That is a standard 60 amp power plug used a lot in racing to boost the car battery. Not the same plug as a charging station. The switch is probably used to disconnect the plug from the car battery when not I use. My mind tells me that this is used for the engineers so they can use data equipment without the engine running
              Could it be double-dutying as a charging connection?
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              • #8
                Oh boy! Almost sounds conspiratorial.

                GM's moving to electric vehicles. Mary Barra has made that clear in a number of speeches. In this one on Nov 21, 2019 in NY, she says where she stands on "hybrids". Maybe she wasn't thinking about the Corvette but rather "regular" production vehicles.


                Customers aren’t interested in hybrids,” Barra said.




                "If General Motors Co. CEO Mary Barra had her way, the auto industry would forget about selling hybrid electric models and instead concentrate on getting more battery-powered vehicles into showrooms.

                At an auto industry conference held by Barclays in New York on Nov. 21, Barra said GM is pushing ahead with a plan to sell 20 electric vehicles by 2023 and doesn’t want to build hybrids such as Toyota Motor Co.’s Prius model, which pioneered the category more than 20 years ago in Japan.

                “Customers aren’t interested in hybrids,” Barra said.

                She has a point. While Tesla Inc.’s electric models have captured the imagination of consumers and are growing in popularity, Prius sales are down 24% through October of this year — although Toyota’s sales of all hybrid models in North America are up 23%.

                Hybrids still burn gasoline and are simply an interim step in the shift to fully electric vehicles, Barra said.

                There’s a cost to pushing EVs, though. In the early going, selling low-profit electric vehicles will be “margin dilutive,” GM Chief Financial Officer Dhivya Suryadevara told investors at the same conference. Even when GM’s future plug-in models become profitable, they will make less money for the company than conventional gasoline-powered vehicles do now, she said."


                Thanks TTNews

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Neil H View Post
                  Good pic meyerweb, and here's Racer86's take on it.

                  Could it be double-dutying as a charging connection?
                  No, amp and voltage capacity of the connector is too small.

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                  • #10
                    Yes, not sure what you are getting at?
                    If you are implying that it is only used to charge the 12V battery, you could very well be right.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Neil H View Post
                      Good pic meyerweb, and here's Racer86's take on it.

                      Could it be double-dutying as a charging connection?
                      If it's a plug in hybrid, it could certainly be a charging connection. But it seems like overkill for testing of the regular C8, especially since, as I said, there are a couple of hundred C8s on the roads without such connectors.

                      Originally posted by Neil H View Post
                      Yes, not sure what you are getting at?
                      If you are implying that it is only used to charge the 12V battery, you could very well be right.
                      Then (1) why is it camo'd when none of the captured test fleet vehicles are, and (2) why would they need a connector to charge the 12 volt battery when the car has an alternator to do that?

                      There's just no way this is a standard 2LT Corvette Stingray. That conclusion boggles the mind.

                      No, amp and voltage capacity of the connector is too small.
                      The Prius Prime (plug in hybrid) will charge off a standard 110 volt circuit, or a 220 volt household circuit. It doesn't need huge cables.
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                      • #12
                        I guess the connector could also be used to boost the 12v battery to start the car.
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                        • #13
                          Block heater?
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                          • #14
                            Having a BMW i8 in the 'toy cabinet' I can say that what's pictured is NOT a charging plug for a 'hybrid' or an 'electric' Corvette. End of story.....

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Ralston View Post
                              Block heater?
                              Except that the same connector and kill switch has been seen on cars in warm weather testing.
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