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  • Intersections W/O Street Lights

    Just proposed by Ford Motor Company, that will have intersections without street lights in the future due to our interconnected cars functioning beautifully.

    To start out this discussion, how many times have you had to re-boot your computer, laptop, or cell phone within the last week, or in other words, if there are 20 vehicles approaching an intersection from all four ways, how comfortable are you that every one of the other 19 vehicles’ computers are going to functiion flawlessly as you approach it as 30 MPH?

    [Quote=MotorAuthority] Ford proposes a future without traffic lights. [By Sean Szymkowski: Oct 12, 2018]

    Vehicle-to-everything communications technology, more commonly referred to as V2X, is poised to change the way cars operate in the very near future.

    Numerous automakers are working on V2X systems, some of which are already available. Among those automakers is Ford which thinks the tech could one day eliminate traffic lights.

    The automaker announced Wednesday it will trial an Intersection Priority Management (IPM) system on the streets of Milton Keynes, United Kingdom. The system is Ford's way of demonstrating that cars may not always have to stop for an intersection or traffic sign. Instead, the system suggests speeds that allow a car to pass through an intersection without coming to a complete stop. The technology is inspired by the way humans maneuver through crowds of people. We don't come to a stop as we meander through, but instead adjust our speed to avoid colliding with other people.

    Vehicle-to-vehicle (V2V) communications allows cars in an area to know each other's location, direction of travel and speed, while the IPM system identifies upcoming intersections. The IPM also calculates all of the surrounding cars' paths and produces the optimal speed for each of them to pass through an intersection without colliding or stopping. Researchers previewed a similar system in 2016 using a simulation.

    While the technology sounds rather difficult to implement in the real world where not every car on the road will feature V2V technology, it could be a major facet of future self-driving cars. Ford said it's possible that with a system developed for autonomous vehicles, the only time the car would stop is when a rider reaches his or her destination. Ford is first testing the technology with humans behind the wheel, but IPM may not need humans or traffic signals one day.

    IPM comes as the government-funded U.K. Autodrive program, which looks at upcoming car technologies, wraps up. Ford has worked to help develop new safety technologies over the past two years and has also shown off an intersection collision warning system and Green Light Optimal Speed Advisory. The latter helps cars synchronize with traffic lights and help avoid red signals.

    While Ford works to eliminate traffic lights, Honda is also working on making intersections a safer place. The company has developed a "smart intersection" with V2X technology that can alert drivers of obstacles and help avoid a crash. The technology began testing in Ohio this month.{/Quote]




    https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...traffic-lights
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  • #2
    I predict lots of confused humans in this process.
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    • #3
      I don't think it will ever get off the ground, at least not in our lifetime. Think about all of the RF (radio frequency) And think of the problems associated with that. What about just something as simple as a CB radio with a linear amplifier crossing over the frequency range and over riding the system? Solar flares have also been known to highly disturb frequency ranges as well, sometimes for long periods of time. What is all of that RF going to do to humans? The FCC is already concerned with the small amounts of RF put out from cell phones causing cancer and other neurological problems. It's just some billionaires way of increasing their wealth .
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Ateupjoe View Post
        I predict lots of confused humans in this process.
        That won't be a problem. The autonomous vehicle can handle it. Just in case though, I'll be huddled undercover in the backseat while the car tries to figure things out.

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        • #5
          That is funny!
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          • #6
            I'm gonna have this guy be my driver. Just hope he can handle road rage situations and not go Terminator or something.
             
            Last edited by Boomer; 10-13-2018, 10:10 AM.

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            • #7
              It will be a very, very long time before all the non-connected cars are off the road. Even the first generation(s) of autonomous cars won't support all of this technology, much less all the old Honda Accords, Ford Mustangs and Corvettes. Say the first fully connected, autonomous cars hit the road 10 years from now. That technology will appear first in only the most expensive luxury cars, and then trickle down. So say a minimum of 15 years before cars like the Toyota Corolla or Hyundai Excel offer it, and probably 20 years before all cars are equipped with it. And at least 10 years after that before most of the older cars without it have been replaced.

              And I think those are best case estimates.
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              • #8
                I feel we should be working on maglev technology for automobiles . We could incorporate the maglev into our cars rotors for our present cars to drive on its tires or we could build rails and stack our roadways to get rid of congestion, reduce emissions and solve our energy crisis and even produce power while using the system. Let alone the speed ability.

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                • #9
                  A good idea, perhaps, but governments can't even find the money to repave our roads on a timely bases. Where will the hundreds of trillions of dollars to do this come from?
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                  • #10
                    Bob, what if we privatized the interstates?
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                    • #11
                      I had a feeling this issue was going to wander into political and social issues, so thank you for moving back please, staying away from those issues. Thanks.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Ateupjoe View Post
                        Bob, what if we privatized the interstates?
                        Already happening to a degree here in the DC area. Toll roads, run by private companies for the benefit of their investors. But the tolls pretty much just cover the cost of building the extra lanes, maintaining them, and a reasonable operating profit. I don't think many people would routinely pay $40 or $50 tolls to get to work, or $2 a mile for interstate travel, which is probably what it would take to raise those kinds of funds.

                        Years ago, there was lots of talk and "planning" for smart highways, roads with embedded sensors and communications that would keep track of road conditions and signal cars with that information. Planners eventually realized the cost of that was prohibitive. But now technology has improved to the point where we don't need smart roads, we can build the smarts into cars, which is both cheaper in total and doesn't require massive outlays of capital all at once. (Yes, my background is in economics. ).

                        And I suspect maglev would dwarf the costs of smart highways. Elon Musk and others are working on hyperloop systems that may be practical for long distance transport, but face the same obstacle: cost. If we, as a society, couldn't afford to embed sensors in the highway network, how are we going to afford digging tens or hundreds of thousands of miles of tunnels, reliably keeping them at near vacuum*, and filling them with a maglev system?

                        Ask anyone working with vacuum equipment in a laboratory how hard it is to maintain that vacuum over long time periods in a lab environment. Then think about doing it to thousands of miles of tunnels exposed to the environment,, earth tremors and quakes, floods, terrorist attacks.....
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Ateupjoe View Post
                          Bob, what if we privatized the interstates?
                          Somebody still gotta pay for it. Toll, Gas taxes? Private roads have worked in some spots, wouldn't put my money into it. Roads are traditionally a govt. activity and the lack of profit on private toll roads demonstrates this.

                          Thruway authorities have the best model.

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                          • #14
                            Please just give me a steering wheel. Please.

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                            • #15
                              I like that idea and I want a brake pedal also. And while we are at it, please add a throttle, a clutch, and tons more driver-controls.
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