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  • #16
    Originally posted by John View Post
    You can use a DA on a nano-ceramic; in fact if you mess up in applying the stuff and leave a high spot, only a DA would “grind down” you spot. However, I think, and someone smarter than me would have to confirm this, that after you do that, you would have to re-apply another super, super thin coat of it to finish it off.

    Anyone know better?
    I have done spot corrections and reapplied coating to those areas on all three of our coated cars several times with success. A consideration, one might find more apparent with coatings is that it takes a very minimal amount of time after original application of a coating, for a spot correction of a small area (with coating reapplied over just that specific area), to be a shade or two different in color than the rest of a panel after the reapplied coating cures fully. Maybe doesn't matter for a daily driver, but to the discerning eye it is noticeable and sticks out. Less noticeable if you spot correct the defect, then polish the rest of the panel to remove the coating and reapply the coating to the entire panel.

    It also bears mentioning, exact time varies by product, but once the container any coating comes in is opened and exposed to air, there is a finite time before the contents begin to crystalize and that isn't very long compared to other detail products folks are used to. Could be a shock for someone that expects to use leftover product in what they might consider a reasonable amount of time.







    Semper Fidelis,
    Matt
    '15 Laguna Blue 2LT A8, ECS Novi 1500 SuperCharger, TSP Headers, Alky Control, RPI Stage II Side Skirts, Z06 OEM Splitter, Laguna Blue Brake Calipers.​​​​​​

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    • #17
      Thanks Matt. I knew a smart person would add accurate info. We appreciate your doing so.
      Excited owners of a 2015 Z06. Lifetime, annual contributors, and 20 year members of NCM. Our 2020 ME C8 Corvette is next.

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      • #18
        Has the paint quality improved to the point that there's no longer any need to remove the orange peel?
        Save the wave.

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        • #19
          Depends on the car, e.g., no guarantee.

          I think the best two pieces of information I can share with you are that I just inspected a brand new 2019 GS. I was impressed with its Elkart Lake Blue Metallic paint. But much more important than my comment about one car, are the comments of Mike Furman. Mike has received over 300 new Corvettes painted in the new paint shop and said, “I am happy with the improved paint, but much more importantly my customers are happy with their paint.”

          Not saying that every paint job is going to be orange peel free, but the paint jobs coming from the new shop are much better.
          Excited owners of a 2015 Z06. Lifetime, annual contributors, and 20 year members of NCM. Our 2020 ME C8 Corvette is next.

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          • #20
            prep cleaning coating price so far 2500 to 3600 on the fence.... still may stay with polish then zaino

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            • #21
              I had the Ceramic Pro Gold Package applied to my C7. The coating was great but I had the issue of bad prep. The company didn't do the full paint correction and applied 5 layers of ceramic over a very spiderwebbed surface. Let's just say it was a nightmare!

              I finally found a shop that was confident enough to get the ceramic off without messing up the car. Dropped it off and when I returned 5 days later to pick up the car... I felt like the teenage girl that daddy just bought a corvette for. This guy did an amazing job! I didn't reapply another nano coating because I want to be able to buff it and spend quality time giving it a massage!

              Moral of the story.... Do your homework, don't pick the car up at night and do your homework! Did I mention do your homework?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by camaro6662 View Post
                prep cleaning coating price so far 2500 to 3600 on the fence.... still may stay with polish then zaino
                The guy that corrected my car used a hybrid polish as the final step and suggested using something like BlackFire Sio2 as my protectant over that.

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                • #23
                  Ripper,

                  You hit the key factor, that anything applied on top of paint is only as good as the paint to which it is applied. Paint correction is always the first thing.
                  Excited owners of a 2015 Z06. Lifetime, annual contributors, and 20 year members of NCM. Our 2020 ME C8 Corvette is next.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by John View Post
                    Ripper,

                    You hit the key factor, that anything applied on top of paint is only as good as the paint to which it is applied. Paint correction is always the first thing.
                    unfortunately the shop I first chose simply tried to shortcut the process. What was scheduled as a 5 day process was done in half a day, should have been the giant red flag but they stated it needed very little correcting because it was in such good shape and they had extra guys on the project. When I picked it up it was getting dark and it was over cast, so difficult to see. Had it back twice to be fixed but it simply was beyond their capabilities. It's a shame, because they were the #1 recommended shop for Ceramic Pro.

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                    • #25
                      To me the most critical thing in choosing any company to do paint correction, clear bra application, window tint, and similar, is to first personally visit the shop and to personally inspect their process and some of their finished vehicles, e.g., decide for yourself if they meet your standards.
                      Excited owners of a 2015 Z06. Lifetime, annual contributors, and 20 year members of NCM. Our 2020 ME C8 Corvette is next.

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                      • #26
                        New here and proud owner of a 2016 Z07 3LZ auto trans Corvette. I am going to ceramic coat my car myself as soon as the weather warms up and I receive the Adams ceramic coating kit. Currently have everything except the Adams orbital polisher which is backordered. As with any process prep seems to be the most time consuming and important part. Professional shop here in Louisville wanted $1,200 to do my car. Cost me about $400 for everything necessary from Adams including the orbital polisher on discount. Retired and like to do my own work and Adams has detailed online videos on prep and application of their product.

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                        • #27
                          Having taught myself via extensive watching and re-watching of YouTube videos, and then doing two new cars extremely successfully with Wolfgang Uber Ceramic, there are four critical things IMO.

                          1) Excellent paint correction/preparation;

                          2) Follow manufacturers directions explicitedly, especially applying in specified temperature range;

                          3) Do not allow the coating to dry on the vehicle without doing the fourth step

                          3) Have an adequate supply of project-disposal new micro fibers (Costco’s work just fine once their tags are removed), and most importantly use the two sequential MF rags, critically wiping off the product to insure no high spots are allowed to remain and dry.


                          If I can teach myself and do this very successfully, everyone can. Next time I would use the Adams kit — to join my shelves and shelves of great Adams products.
                          Excited owners of a 2015 Z06. Lifetime, annual contributors, and 20 year members of NCM. Our 2020 ME C8 Corvette is next.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by dynajohn View Post
                            New here and proud owner of a 2016 Z07 3LZ auto trans Corvette. I am going to ceramic coat my car myself as soon as the weather warms up and I receive the Adams ceramic coating kit. Currently have everything except the Adams orbital polisher which is backordered. As with any process prep seems to be the most time consuming and important part. Professional shop here in Louisville wanted $1,200 to do my car. Cost me about $400 for everything necessary from Adams including the orbital polisher on discount. Retired and like to do my own work and Adams has detailed online videos on prep and application of their product.
                            Looking forward to the before and after pictures!

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                            • #29
                              Amazing and sad any shop would do such **** poor work re prep on Rippers car.


                              Wow, pee poor is offensive?

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by steve8 View Post
                                Amazing and sad any shop would do such **** poor work re prep on Rippers car.


                                Wow, pee poor is offensive?
                                Poo happens! I wouldn't say they did poor work, I'd really classify it as failed to actually do the work! They definitely applied the ceramic coating, but from what it looked like there was basically ZERO paint correction before hand!

                                I'm not upset about it... really more upset with myself for allowing it to happen. You know the old saying, "you learn from your mistakes"... well according to them there rules, I should be the smartest person in the world! It was an expensive lesson.

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